they shouldn't give jonas odman any new & bright ideas; he's liable to run with them...

Absolutely True , all sites are rigged for counteracting tight agg. play and anti bot programming which rewards donk calls etc. to keep donks depositing or poker would dry up. what you are seeing is right and you either learn to play the program or whine about bad beats for the rest of your life....

Every site that ever existed including the new regulated US based ones, and hundreds that have long shut down, are (or were)all rigged in the exact same undetectable manner (that you can see but not exploit), even tiny sites run by two dudes in a basement.

Amazing that no insider has told this secret truth that only special people seem to be able to see. That must be a huge cave to have all of those people who worked for hundreds or thousands of sites locked away.

Fortunately we are blessed with play money donks who help the world see their version of reality.

All the best.

How many times did you flop a flush draw for every 1000 hands you played on Bovada?

Thank you for continuing to play without spending the time to learn what is normal and what isn't. Your efforts are essential for the poker economy to function. We, and our bankrolls, are humbly indebted to you.

From that article:

“We know that so-called sharks will use any and all information to gain an edge over poor, unsuspecting casual players,” said Courverlier.

“And when we started breaking down the information these ruthless predators exploited the most,” Courverlier continued, “it became obvious that knowledge of the cards on the flop was the source of much of the sharks disgusting edge over their victims.”

“In short,” Courverlier, “the visible flop had to go.”

I just snarfed guacamole. Thanks.

He's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK, dodging and weaving like always. You've got some claims to back up, boy! SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!!! SQUEEEEEEE!!

Just posting three hands for viewing enjoyment. May start a screen shot album during play. Daily stuff for me. Game gives both players just what they need to build the rake. In the 1st hand, normally I would play it like a rig conspirast and check call, if call at all. This guy was very loose though, so hard to put them on JJ there. I personally think on Merge that there is an increased amount of coolers above the norm in order to give the site extra $. In the 2nd hand, I believe if player doesn't limp 64os there, the software would provide a different flop. 3rd hand, a 3 bet pot and everyone gets dealt a good flush draw and one the nuts, one with a big pair along with the draw and the other with two big cards.
Obviously can't prove anything from three hands, but man if only I recorded all my sessions.






Here is a good example of two people being in a hand and the board "coincidentally" giving a rake building turn card.



Just another day at the office. On the plus side this time.

Flushes are harder to make than straights, full houses harder than flushes, quads harder than full houses and so on. The order of hands is not arbitrary, and in some stranger variants of poker straights are ahead of flushes because, in those variants, they are harder to make.

I personally did have a stretch on Bovada where AA lost maybe 3 or 4 straight times, or it felt that way at least. But I look in HEM and I have won 16/18 all-in pre-flop with Aces and 239/270 total times I had AA.

Enough with the pointless screenshot.

What about the hundreds other time where the turn is NOT a rake action card? Have you ever thought about that?

That donk is playing 2/4 cent poker - there is no such thing as "rake building" at that level. A single MTT makes considerably more in rake than the table he played on for the entire day.

Also, everyone checked the turn and river, so apparently their rake building approach failed, and they did not manage to make an extra penny? Perhaps James Bond got to them and they revealed their penny caper to him and he foiled it?

Here is a better riggie hand from the Storm today

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...928_CCCB7E797B

and how about this for a reasonable flop

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...154_6D1EE7FCC1


All the best.

If it exists, it isn't being shut off so micros can play normal poker.
Epic hands btw.

I would ask what "normal" 2/4 cent poker is to be amused by the answer, but for now I guess all I can do is suggest you quit playing if you cannot handle the evil rig that you believe steals several pennies from you daily through action hands (which apparently cannot be detected through database analysis though you can see them). That certainly is a logical rig for any site to do from a risk/return perspective.

What you need to do is this:

- Indicate how many hands per hour you believe are juiced
- Indicate how much extra rake these hands generate (the one you displayed featured lots of no rake checking)
- Multiply the amount of rake by the amount of hands per hour to come up with the estimated action based rake steal per hour per 2/4 cent table.
- Then multiply that by 24 (sure, lets assume the table runs 24/7 somehow)

There you go - that is how much you believe the site is making per day at the stakes you play through action hands.

Lets see how your numbers play out.

All the best.

P.S. The storm MTT generated over $50,000 alone today in rake to give some perspective.

The program only kicks in when bad calls and poor plays are made , to equalize the game. The reason that the rig shows up less as you go up the ladder is better plays, and the program doesn't trigger as often with less need to protect donks. So , in fact the rig kicks in far more often at the lower limits. It's not all about getting the rake , it is also about hooking degen gamblers by letting them win a few and believe their game is better than it is. The marketers on poker sites realized a long time ago that players will move to other forms of gambling if they are not given a few insentives (thrills ) to hook them on poker......

i really dont like the moderation here. it has been abundantly clear freddie is a troll and making up alll these storys for his personal entertainment.
i think it is unfair to real riggies in a multitude of ways to let him go on.

If only there was a way to exploit that you'd be able to print money. I just can't work out how to do it, I just can't help myself, I mean I meant to make a bad play and then I went and pressed fold instead and I kept doing it, why oh why can't I bring myself to make a bad play so I can exploit this rig

Perhaps you are a site shill and it hits to close to home. Why would I get personal entertainment from revealing obvious rigged programming. If you work for a poker site tell them to deal a random game instead of trying to corrupt and steal from people looking for an honest game. If you don't like what I say for some other reason , you can state your opinion or MYOFB .. Why are my stories made up and yours are concrete. I have lost a lot of money to crooked online poker sites , and I feel it is my duty to let people know what they may be encountering . There seems to be more people complaining about online poker than selling it. The one thing I have seen on here are the same dozen or so shills defending it over and over to a very suspicious level.. In your defence , I was reading some blogs the other day on this very subject and a guy named Potripper said the reason we all complain about losing so much is just a lack of talent , if we worked on our game like he did we would soon see there is no rigging going on...

I'm currently abusing the 'new player boomswitch'. Signed up for Skypoker today because they were offering £20 in free tournament tickets. Just thought I'd see if I could bink a couple of them then transfer any winnings back to Stars since I'm primarily a cash game player.

First tourney got dealt AA three times in 40 hands, including one where villain had KK. Managed to get 2nd place despite getting the money in behind a couple of times too.

Next tourney same kinda deal, my AJ would beat AK and the like. I widen my ranges when I join a new site to take advantage of the favorable flops they'll give me. Again, nice 5th place finish, well in the money.

Cashed out my winnings and was down to just £2 in tournament tickets left. Decided to buy into some donkament and open shove every hand right away. My T8o was called by 99, of course I spiked a ten on the turn. Then A7o> ATo, and 56s>KK put me right at the top of the leaderboard. In the end I was busted when my 94s didn't beat JJ but I won countless times getting the money in as a complete dog.

I've always thought that sites gave new players advantages. Was the same for me on all other sites when I first started playing there, then over time my winnings decreased. It is certainly rigged though you have to be able to take advantage of it - sign up to multiple sites to churn your way through the rungood boomswitch times, but make sure you move up a few stakes if you stick around on the site, so new players won't be as predominate and can't boomswitch you back.

Instead of making dozens of dollars with your knowledge and powers why not really exploit the system by depositing several thousand and playing the highest games you can the first day to make a ton more?

You riggies sure get all happy about making food money for the day when you have at your disposal the ability to make so much more if your beliefs are true and you know what they say...

Give a riggie a freeroll boomswitch and you feed him for a day. Teach a riggie to abuse the system (if their beliefs are correct) and you feed him for a lifetime.

None of you riggies want to eat!

All the best.

Stop giving away knowledge for free.

i dont care to argue with trolls but here it goes.
others got into it before but you dont have proof of anything you either have your biased observations or made up stories.
there is an outside chance you are for real and just that ignorant and cursed by such hybris that you are just beyond any chance of beeing helped.
so your very existance on these boards is just a waste you wont ever benefit of it unles you are a troll and your ententainment is your benefit.
also it is of course comforting for a lot of riggies to have a guy like you around that will no matter how easy to disprove and bonkers a theory is, tell him he is right and the only reason he cant beat poker is because of some evil rig.
you do realize poker is hard and someone will have to lose for others to win dont you?
you are doing these guys a huge disservice by telling them the sites are after them when really the reason they are loosing is either they cant beat the games or are just running bad.
and i and others get worked up about this kind of stuff because we put a lot of work in beeing able to beat the game of our choice fair and square, we win based on our skill and hard work and along comes some fish claiming its all sham.
of course that makes me mad.

I have cashed occasionally in MTTs but as I have stated in the past all my big MTT wins have come early on a new site and a lot years ago when I had no clue how to play. One tourney I went all in over and over on Poker Stars and cashed for 1100.00 just after signing up. The trick is to fool them into thinking you are going to be a big depositor. Basically start small and when you cash move up limits right away so they think you are just testing the water and will be a heavy hitter , thats how you get some decent cashes. Unfortunately there are only so many sites and I played that out long ago. It's a one time deal you have to make it work when freshly signed , after that , you have no chance.. I can still win some money in MTTs exploiting the program, but it not only screws with your live game though process , usually you will be bounced out around 6 or 7 th on the final table. I have not found a trick to win the final table if the doomswitch is on me....

Why are you so concerned with my posts , you can put me on ignore anytime you want? Why are you even on a rigged debate site if you can't see any rigging going on? If you and ones like you are so secure playing online why are you wasting valuable time on here ? Your time and resouces should be on the tables making your fortune , seems fishy when you so strongly want people banned from a rigged debate site for debating a rig.....

Wow, this thread really took off LOL! As OP, I'd like to first and foremost thank all the guys that replied in epic douche bag form. It's been a long time since I posted up on this forum, and I'm quickly reminded as to just how many total pricks there are roaming this site, just waiting to tell you you are the worst poker player on earth.

And, it might be true. Maybe I am that bad LOL! I don't know. I've never been able to beat the online game. My biggest cashes have all been live. I made $400 in a 2 hour session on the $1/$2 at a casino here in Chicagoland. I also won a home game tournament (60 players) for $2000.

I've always been, and will continue to be confounded by online poker. And, perhaps it's the stubborn guy in me that continues to go back, believing I can beat the game.

I tried something last-night that I've never tried though. Probably the most useful reply I've ever received from someone on here. He said, "pull out a deck of cards, give yourself AA, and villain and underpair, run about 10 hands and see what happens."

So I did. I dealt myself AA, villain JJ, and 4 dead hands. 3rd time I ran it, J on the river! Holy **** I said to my gf laying next to me. Did it again, 2 hands later, AA lost to KK.

That was enough for me. I am now a firm believer that online poker never was, or is, rigged!!!!!

I love you all! Even you total douchemeisters!

Great simulation , now try some online and honestly report how that plays out.......Would love to know as I am a die hard rig believer.........

Thanks Freddie. I was being sarcastic about things not being rigged. I'm right there with you, I absolutely believe their are shady dealings going on online.

I dusted off my Juicy Stakes account lastnight after getting my ass completely handed to me, epic suck-out after epic suck-out on Bovada. I did notice more hands holding up that should hold up on Juicy. I think it's the old Cake poker software.

At any rate, I'm optimistic... for now. We'll see what happens.

PM me if you'd like to share any personal stories Freddie, you seem like my kind of guy.

So it's douchy for someone to tell you your poker game is flawed on a forum dedicated to pointing out flaws in poker games? Sounds legit.

And awwwwwwwwwwwwwww, Freddie wishes I'd go away and stop pointing out that he's FoS.

Heeeeeere, Freddie Freddie Freddie Freddie Freddie. C'mon boy! Grow a set. I know you can do it!

It's the manner in which you tell people their game is flawed. That's where the douche bag part comes in. There are ways to deliver constructive criticism, and there are ways to prick. Most guys on here choose the prick route.

I never said my game was perfect. Who's is? I think the biggest flaw in my game is letting the endless string of sick beats... the rivered sets, the 2 outers... tilt me to the point where I start playing as bad as I can because it seems like that's the trick to winning online. I'll admit that no problem.