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01-06-2014 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
There's hands posted here every hour of the day about AA that lost. A lot of it is under the guise of strategy (i.e. 'when should I have folded this?) but really AA shouldn't get sucked out on anywhere near as much as it does online.
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
A millionaire based on 4 weeks of rungood? Doubt it.
Why would you only do it once? And why would you waste those four weeks at cheeseburger stakes?

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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
Even with 2 stacks in the pot the rake cap wasn't near been reached. It was a 10nl hand.
So, you're suggesting that only micro-stakes are rigged?

Please scroll back up and answer Monty's posts about how much sick profits this riggaged would make.
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01-06-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Why would you only do it once? And why would you waste those four weeks at cheeseburger stakes?
You can only do it once because you, err, only get the new player boomswitch when you first join the site. The first couple of sites I joined I was still a new player and didn't know about the boomswitch, but I don't exactly have the liferoll to drop $50k in a poker room and play 2000nl even if the system is stacking the odds in my favour.

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So, you suggesting that only micro-stakes are rigged?

Please scroll back up and answer Monty's posts about how much sick profits this riggaged would make.
I've never played high stakes so I can't speak for them. Microstakes games are definitely set up to give out coolers and to get stacks in to maximise rake though. As for profits, individually it might not be much, but when you have thousands of players on Stars all getting stacks in it adds up to a lot.
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01-06-2014 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
You can only do it once because you, err, only get the new player boomswitch when you first join the site.
TIL - There are only four poker sites and none of them have skins. And gnoming is no longer a thing.

(I'd love to hear why you're still putting up with getting scammed, but no riggy ever has an answer for this.)
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01-06-2014 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
What I wouldn't give to play you HU small stakes. Omg!!! Name the site, the time, I'm there. And you can take me for all my money.

Just for once, I'd give anything to play one of you 2+2 arrogant sh#t-talkers. Just once!!!!
Mike Haven (possibly the most respected mod on 2+2) has offered to escrow. You send him $200 and I will do the same.

After that, we'll discuss time, place and site.

Note: Given where you live, I am NOT depositing on any site I'm going to have trouble cashing out of.
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01-06-2014 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
TIL - There are only four poker sites and none of them have skins. And gnoming is no longer a thing.

(I'd love to hear why you're still putting up with getting scammed, but no riggy ever has an answer for this.)
I did take advantage of the rig been in my favour today by joining Skypoker. I'm going to try Bovada next week and slowly work my way through the sites to add some extra padding to my bankroll.

Why do I put up with it? Because despite the rig I'm still winning money. But it's only at a small rate due to stupid donk suckouts and rivered 2 outers. And none of my friends are into poker so it's difficult to set up a home game and I don't live near any casinos (and wouldn't be rolled for the lowest stakes casino poker games anyway).
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01-06-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Mike Haven (possibly the most respected mod on 2+2) has offered to escrow. You send him $200 and I will do the same.

After that, we'll discuss time, place and site.

Note: Given where you live, I am NOT depositing on any site I'm going to have trouble cashing out of.
Now we're talking! Ok, let's make this happen. You'll have to give me a little bit to put $200 together.

Also, what sites do you play at? We'll do site of your choice. I'll need to know to create an account. Chances are I won't be able to deposit from the US side, so how will we get the funds in to my account?
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01-06-2014 , 04:48 PM
I'll create an account specifically for this on a site you can play on - We're not breaking anyone's TOS for a stupid prop bet.

Serious question. How old are you?
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01-06-2014 , 04:51 PM
I'm 41. 2 kids ages 7 and 9.

Front-end web developer by day. ****ty online poker player (and complainer of endless bad beats and runs) by night.
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01-06-2014 , 05:02 PM
The way I look at this prop bet, it's win win. Or, as some of your fans might assume, a $200 poker lesson lol!

Either way, we can analyze the match afterwards and discuss the holes in my game.
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01-06-2014 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
Either way, we can analyze the match afterwards and discuss the holes in my game.
Well, no. I'm not a HU specialist and I'm certainly not qualified to coach or offer much of an opinion on HU strat.

And HU bears very little resemblance to anything that you've been whining about ITT. Especially MTTs.

(This would be another one of those, "If this isn't obvious to you, WTF?!?" situations).
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01-06-2014 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
It's obvious when you've played online a while that premium hands hold up far less than they do live. If I have KK or QQ against Ax about 50% of the time the Ax will win, rather than the 30% or so it should.
Gosh, it's a shame there's no way to save hand histories and filter them and look at the number that gets spat out.

There oughta be a law.

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Originally Posted by YouMissed
It's the manner in which you tell people their game is flawed. That's where the douche bag part comes in. There are ways to deliver constructive criticism, and there are ways to prick. Most guys on here choose the prick route.
You get nice delivery from people you pay. You get whatever you ******* get from people who are doing it for free. If you want a friend, go buy a dog.

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What do you pros do when you're not sitting here telling the world how bad they are at poker? Do you guys win?
Yep. FreddieTheWeak said it wasn't possible. I offered to deposit $100 on a site and after a year I'd have >$100, he could name the stakes. He's been running like a female dog ever since.

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Originally Posted by YouMissed
I'd love to watch you play? Any one of you that is talking **** about my game, where do you play? What's your handle? I'd be happy to watch you. Educate me.

Give me your info please. Or, give me an excuse as to why you won't.
Well what's your motivation here? If it's to learn, you can already accomplish this, just go look up who the winning players and rail their games. If your motivation is to prove that we're talking **** and not really winning players then I'm sure someone will be more than happy to enter in a wager with you (just like I offered to FreddieTheWeak. You'll be able to get their username and you can rail to your heart's content while you lose money. If your motivation is to prove that we're talking **** and not really winning players but you don't want to make a wager, the upside for the player is that nothing happens and the downside is they can lose and you can crow about it.

But I'm available if you want that bet.

YOU TOO FREDDIE!! lol. What a cowardly little schmuck.

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Front-end web developer by day.
What a coincidence! I heard Cry is a backend excavator...

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What I wouldn't give to play you HU small stakes. Omg!!! Name the site, the time, I'm there. And you can take me for all my money.

Just for once, I'd give anything to play one of you 2+2 arrogant sh#t-talkers. Just once!!!!
Ugh. Cry beat me to it. But when he's done with your purty mouf, I'm available. WPN, $2 HU hypers.

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01-06-2014 , 05:15 PM
YouMissed,

Why don't you go ahead and warm up with bodhisoma at $2 a shot and see if you still have something to prove after...
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01-06-2014 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
YouMissed,

Why don't you go ahead and warm up with bodhisoma at $2 a shot and see if you still have something to prove after...

Sounds like a plan. I'll discuss with bod.
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01-06-2014 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bodhisoma

Ugh. Cry beat me to it. But when he's done with your purty mouf, I'm available. WPN, $2 HU hypers.
WPN? World Poker Network? Sorry, not familiar with WPN. By all means, provide additional info. Can US players deposit there?
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01-06-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
WPN? World Poker Network? Sorry, not familiar with WPN. By all means, provide additional info. Can US players deposit there?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...poker-network/
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01-06-2014 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Ok cool. Any particular site in this network you guys recommend?
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01-06-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
but really AA shouldn't get sucked out on anywhere near as much as it does online.
How often should it, and how often does it?

Spoiler:
All the real stats ever posted show it pretty close to what is expected.
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01-06-2014 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
What I wouldn't give to play you HU small stakes. Omg!!! Name the site, the time, I'm there. And you can take me for all my money.

Just for once, I'd give anything to play one of you 2+2 arrogant sh#t-talkers. Just once!!!!
This Saturday, 3:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the New Jersey WSOP site.

But first clarify what you mean by "small stakes".



If you can't play on NJ sites, then name an alternate site. But I have no money on non-NJ sites now and I won't be depositing money on a site where I feel I'm risking ever being able to withdraw or risking very slow withdrawals. I have safer options.




EDIT:

I see that it appears something is already being worked out with other people.
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01-06-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
Wrong - BTN had a pair of ****ing pocket 7's. I've never seen anything like that in live poker, it just doesn't happen. Of course two full stacks went into the pot maximising the rake Stars got.
You need to get the dealer or deck that you are using live checked if this has never happened. For this to never happen live, you are playing a rigged game?

You realise it's not in the sites interest to get the whole stack in right? It's better for them to have a lot of small raked pits than one big pot that hits the rake cap. Do you understand that basic concept?
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01-06-2014 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
WPN? World Poker Network? Sorry, not familiar with WPN. By all means, provide additional info. Can US players deposit there?
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Let's work out a strategy before you do anything else.

So you are obviously going to max out your credit cards and borrow as much money as you can from family, friends and other riggies who agree with your boomswitch theory. Then you are going to play at the highest stakes possible and jam your money in with trash with no regard for bankroll management. You are going to win because you will be boomswitched and they want the money in circulation and getting re-raked rather than getting cashed out by winning players.

What site are you going to move your ever increasing fortune to after this one?
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01-06-2014 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lolpotodds
Even with 2 stacks in the pot the rake cap wasn't near been reached. It was a 10nl hand.
Wrong, assuming full stacks. Rake is 4.5% or 50c cap. Don't let facts get in the way of your story.
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01-06-2014 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Let's work out a strategy before you do anything else.
I'm a pretty solid HU player. I don't play on credit. I save up money to bank roll myself when I can.

I'll play solid poker and see if I can win, simple as that. Get it when I've got the goods and hope they hold up.

I really don't fear anyone at $200 table stakes HU. Especially the "solid' 2+2 pros. I know there's a better chance they won't stack off with 7-10 off.
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01-06-2014 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by YouMissed
Ok cool. Any particular site in this network you guys recommend?
Black Chip Poker has an excellent reputation for quick withdrawals. They take US players.

What are you going to use for a SN?
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01-06-2014 , 06:19 PM
Whether or not poker is rigged is sort of beside the point now. If I've learned one thing during this thread, it's that I need to focus less on the beats and more on my game. I'll do that. I apologize to anyone I've offended here.

I'll tighten up my range and give things a go again. All I can do is try to become a better player and learn from my mistakes.

Sometimes when you get beat to a pulp, losing over and over when you've got it in with the best of it, you lose faith in things. I guess it's easy to blame anyone but yourself.

I don't blame myself for losing with AA to a smaller pair 5 of the last 7 times. It's poker.

Gotta keep tryin.

Best.

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Black Chip Poker has an excellent reputation for quick withdrawals. They take US players.

What are you going to use for a SN?
I'll go with YouMissed, assuming I can get it.

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