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11-14-2011 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
a society on the brink will demand change, the one world currency isn't as far fetched as people think, the world is heading that way as we speak- gradually, but surely. Globalisation is start of the process, there is talk of disbanding the Euro, it is really scary stuff.
Right, we are so much closer to one currency...12 down another approximately 175 to go. We have more currencies now than 200 years ago.
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11-14-2011 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
Certain repeated questions kind of give away your underlying issue. It's all the immigrants fault. Happy now?
I don't think immigration is wholly to blame, just part of the overall jigsaw.

Immigration at the current scale certainly isn't helping our economy, but I don't think the ruling elite want to help our economies, they want us in debt and difficulty. All about control, makes them better off.

In fact, immigration is quite far down on the scale in terms of the questions I posted, I love the way you took some of the questions and tried to discredit me in the sense I'm a racist now?

Brilliant!

Monty even called me a zealot!

To attempt the destruction of our passions is the height of folly. What a noble aim is that of the zealot who tortures himself like a madman in order to desire nothing, love nothing, feel nothing, and who, if he succeeded, would end up a complete monster


That sounds like me alright!!
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11-14-2011 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Right, we are so much closer to one currency...12 down another approximately 175 to go. We have more currencies now than 200 years ago.
I'm talking 50-100 years down the line. The middle class has to go first, they need western countries where people don't own property, everyone is in debt and wanting change. It will take time.

The banking systems are everywhere, before 9/11, only missing in Iraq, Afghan, Iran, Syria, Libya.

We've (Rothchilds) got them in Iraq and Afghan now since the invasion and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, Libya soon to be and quite obviously we are going to target Iran next. Obama wants out of current ops by 2014, so schedule in Iran invasion round about 2014-2015.

It's going to get worse and worse!!
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11-14-2011 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You will get zero argument from me that people distort, lie and manipulate events to serve agendas. Kind of the foundation for politics in many ways. I also would agree that many aspects of history are far more interesting when more details are discussed and discovered.

The problem with the "fringe loons" such as TPTK is that they are so extreme that they actually make any reasonable discussion impossible, and as we have seen here already they will openly lie to try to get people to believe whatever it is they are saying at the time.

Zealots like him actually do far more damage to the beliefs of those more moderate (and capable of discussion) like yourself, and my point to shine a spotlight on a zealot like that is not to discredit all beliefs in all conspiracies, but to highlight that a person so driven and obsessed with them as he is destroys the conversation field for everyone else.

In his mind either you believe him (and his dozens/hundreds of theories) or else you are blissfully ignorant.

What is your take on him as a spokesman for these beliefs in general? Does he represent you and your beliefs in a reasonable manner?
Hi Monteroy, First off, thanks for your well-stated reply; it puts my mind at ease. TK would probably not be the best of spokespeople, though it would not be for lack of trying nor for enthusiasm for his cause. Being open-minded works both ways, in my opinion--one has to be willing to allow one's opponent to open one's own eyes if one expects the opponent to listen to or be influenced by what one says. TK seems to have set his beliefs in stone and now it's time to preach.
Thanks again for the reply and good luck with this never-ending thread...
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11-14-2011 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser
Hi Monteroy, First off, thanks for your well-stated reply; it puts my mind at ease. TK would probably not be the best of spokespeople, though it would not be for lack of trying nor for enthusiasm for his cause. Being open-minded works both ways, in my opinion--one has to be willing to allow one's opponent to open one's own eyes if one expects the opponent to listen to or be influenced by what one says. TK seems to have set his beliefs in stone and now it's time to preach.
Thanks again for the reply and good luck with this never-ending thread...
If you lived in Iraq, and some foreign army turned up and blew your wife and kids up from the safety of their helicopter, then forced their way of life into your country, took your water supply for Israel, took over your countries Oil, would Monteroy still be able to put your mind at ease that it was all standard, nothing to see, just some random event with no conspiracy behind it?

The Americans are in your country, killing your people, changing your way of life for the better, don't you see that you paranoid clown???
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11-14-2011 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
I'm talking 50-100 years down the line. The middle class has to go first, they need western countries where people don't own property, everyone is in debt and wanting change. It will take time.

The banking systems are everywhere, before 9/11, only missing in Iraq, Afghan, Iran, Syria, Libya.

We've (Rothchilds) got them in Iraq and Afghan now since the invasion and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, Libya soon to be and quite obviously we are going to target Iran next. Obama wants out of current ops by 2014, so schedule in Iran invasion round about 2014-2015.

It's going to get worse and worse!!
Don't let the facts get in way of your argument.... we have more currencies now than before but we are very close to one currency, give or take a lifetime.
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11-14-2011 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
If you lived in Iraq, and some foreign army turned up and blew your wife and kids up from the safety of their helicopter, then forced their way of life into your country, took your water supply for Israel, took over your countries Oil, would Monteroy still be able to put your mind at ease that it was all standard, nothing to see, just some random event with no conspiracy behind it?

The Americans are in your country, killing your people, changing your way of life for the better, don't you see that you paranoid clown???
What makes you think that czechraiser is an Iraqi?

And LOL at you calling others 'paranoid'. Or 'clowns' come to that.
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11-14-2011 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser
Hi Monteroy, First off, thanks for your well-stated reply; it puts my mind at ease. TK would probably not be the best of spokespeople, though it would not be for lack of trying nor for enthusiasm for his cause. Being open-minded works both ways, in my opinion--one has to be willing to allow one's opponent to open one's own eyes if one expects the opponent to listen to or be influenced by what one says. TK seems to have set his beliefs in stone and now it's time to preach.
Thanks again for the reply and good luck with this never-ending thread...

Good luck as well.


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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Monty even called me a zealot!

To attempt the destruction of our passions is the height of folly. What a noble aim is that of the zealot who tortures himself like a madman in order to desire nothing, love nothing, feel nothing, and who, if he succeeded, would end up a complete monster


That sounds like me alright!!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the simple definition of the word does sound like you

zeal·ot (zlt)
n.
1.

a. One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
b. A fanatically committed person.


zealot [ˈzɛlət]
n
an immoderate, fanatical, or extremely zealous adherent to a cause



Your use of the word is in reference to Asceticism, which has quite a different agenda than you have for yourself.

As I suggested earlier, you really should try to lie less, either with direct lies or out of context lies. Also, try to be less of a racist as all of these factors really hurt your credibility.

All the best.
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11-14-2011 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
What makes you think that czechraiser is an Iraqi?

And LOL at you calling others 'paranoid'. Or 'clowns' come to that.
I'm saying if he WAS Iraqi, would Monteroy's dismissive nature towards any conspiracy put his mind at ease?

I never said he was Iraqi, not really sure how you thought that if you read the post and saw the key word of 'if' at the beginning of it. Dear me.
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11-14-2011 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Good luck as well.





Sorry to burst your bubble, but the simple definition of the word does sound like you

zeal·ot (zlt)
n.
1.

a. One who is zealous, especially excessively so.
b. A fanatically committed person.


zealot [ˈzɛlət]
n
an immoderate, fanatical, or extremely zealous adherent to a cause



Your use of the word is in reference to the Asceticism which has quite a different agenda than you have for yourself.

As I suggested earlier, you really should try to lie less, either with direct lies or out of context lies now that you have a couple other buddies to debate.

All the best.
Luckily for me, I would never take one of your suggestions seriously.
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11-14-2011 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
What makes you think that czechraiser is an Iraqi?

And LOL at you calling others 'paranoid'. Or 'clowns' come to that.
And if you were half intelligent, you would realise I wasn't calling he was a paranoid clown, it was sarcasm

Try and understand context muppet.
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11-14-2011 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
What you idiot shills don't realize is your not the avenue for covering up anything.
Quite a lot of spelling errors for someone throwing accusations of idiocy around but I'll entertain you.

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Originally Posted by hellojello
What you idiot shills don't realize is your not the avenue for covering up anything. The program itself does this. There might only be a few programmers any UPPER senior management that know exactly whats going on program wise with a few more management that have the ability to put in the * password* when need be and swiftly and quietly effect the dealings short term whether for security reasons or they did there * profiling* and want to give the edge to someone they would like to promote them on tv ect ect. I mean wasn't it amazing during the first season of the television show * the Big Game* you had every genre of pokerplayer that amazing one a random and fair online tournment. You had the homie black guy, the gorgoues hot woman, the young single struggling mom. Everyone except the full bown homosexual. Neat. Amazing how each contestant who won a random tournment online filled up a nice niche one by one winning a * random* online tournment . How many young internet pokerplayer wiz kids won? The ones with the overwhelming skillsets? UMMM none?
What your job as shills are is to just blow some more smoke in the air for the sites. Your puppets connected by string. Your job is to make this as much a * conspiracy* thread as possible.
As usual, a rigtard vomits up a "fact" that supposedly backs up his moronic crackpot theory before spending 1 minute investigating, which might have prevented him looking stupid. From Stars website:

"Make it into the top 1,000 in a Round 2 tournament and you’ll get a seat in the Big Game Final Round qualifier. All players that finish in the top 200 in the final will be invited to send PokerStars a casting video, telling us why you think you should be on TV’s best new cash game show. Impress us with your video and you’ll be heading off to Las Vegas to star on the show as a Loose Cannon qualifier"

So no. The tournaments weren't rigged to get the winners they wanted, they did a casting in order to get a good demographic for TV. Once again, you have shown yourself to be a moron.

If this is a shill gimmick, it truly is an inspired impersonation of a moron (but I still think it's BR)
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11-14-2011 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
And if you were half intelligent, you would realise I wasn't calling he was a paranoid clown, it was sarcasm

Try and understand context muppet.
When your posts are as weird and disorganised as yours it's probably safest not to attempt sarcasm as it's indistinguishable from your normal ranting.
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11-14-2011 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
When your posts are as weird and disorganised as yours it's probably safest not to attempt sarcasm as it's indistinguishable from your normal ranting.
Nice try Wiki

Now you've read my post again you realise I wasn't calling him paranoid or a clown.

If you were an Iraqi of course you'd have reason to be angry, I shouldn't really have to explain that, but Monty would show up saying don't worry little man, it's all for your own good. America fights for your freedom, you don't see it yet as your wife and child died, but don't be paranoid, don't fall for the rigtard fanatics nonsense about oil and world control, we Americans are here to make Iraq and the world a fair and better place for everyone.
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11-14-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Luckily for me, I would never take one of your suggestions seriously.

You don't take anything anyone says unless they blindly support your beliefs. You know - that whole "blissfully ignorant" masses you talk about.

That is why your life such as it is is pretty much stagnant. In the poker arena that translates to a few hundred bucks in earnings over years of play, with a whole lot of reasons why you underachieve. Well done.

Keep up all the good work you do, and I genuinely hope you never do change.

All the best.
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11-14-2011 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You don't take anything anyone says unless they blindly support your beliefs. You know - that whole "blissfully ignorant" masses you talk about.

That is why your life such as it is is pretty much stagnant. In the poker arena that translates to a few hundred bucks in earnings over years of play, with a whole lot of reasons why you underachieve. Well done.

Keep up all the good work you do, and I genuinely hope you never do change.

All the best.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...us-occupation/

Well done America and her allies.

But don't worry, it's all for a good cause.
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11-14-2011 , 02:15 PM
They really don't make'em like this anymore..



Fantastic!
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11-14-2011 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...us-occupation/

Well done America and her allies.

But don't worry, it's all for a good cause.
This is the perfect opportunity for you to express all of your detailed views on these topics instead of tossing in links to speak on your behalf.

If you want people to listen and learn then do just that and post detailed answers to all of your questions earlier so that we call can learn more about what you have discovered.

You know you want to do that so just do it already instead of hiding behind links or tossing slogans and angry questions at everyone else.


Here they are - teach everyone something.


Why does America send 1/3 of it's entire foreign aid to Israel, a country whose income per household is better than Spain and Ireland?

Why is the Middle Class struggling so much?

Why are there no jobs?

Why is immigration worse?

Why are the wealthy becoming wealthier during a massive reccession?

Why are we fighting many wars in the middle east and about to start more when the economy is on it's knees?

Was the great depression planned, and why did the elite profit so much?

Who funded the Nazi party?

Who allowed 9/11 to happen?

Why did we Invade Iraq and murder so many innocent people?

Why did we invade Afghanistan and murder so many innocent people?

Why are we allowed to get away with invading countries?

Who runs the world's banks?

Do the world bank's control American policy?

Why do we allow out of control immigration?

Are western countries losing their identity?
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11-14-2011 , 02:22 PM
Yes, disregard 1,000,000+ Iraqi lives lost as result of our invasion. Well done once more.

Why does america send 1/3 of total foreign aid to Israel, it is a very good question.

I'm not imposing anything on anyone, that is a genuine question!
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11-14-2011 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
The Americans are in your country, killing your people, changing your way of life for the better, don't you see that you paranoid clown???
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Nice try Wiki

Now you've read my post again you realise I wasn't calling him paranoid or a clown.
Er, no, the evidence is quite clear: You called him a paranoid clown.

Unless, of course you completely fail at understanding what paragraphs are all about.
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11-14-2011 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Yes, disregard 1,000,000+ Iraqi lives lost as result of our invasion. Well done once more.
1,000,000+?

Oh really.

No doubt you have a credible source for that number?
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11-14-2011 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
If you lived in Iraq, and some foreign army turned up and blew your wife and kids up from the safety of their helicopter, then forced their way of life into your country, took your water supply for Israel, took over your countries Oil, would Monteroy still be able to put your mind at ease that it was all standard, nothing to see, just some random event with no conspiracy behind it?

The Americans are in your country, killing your people, changing your way of life for the better, don't you see that you paranoid clown???
I wasn't actually referring to anything he said about you or any dismissing he did of your arguments. I was actually referring to his willingness to accept that governments and media often distort, lie, and manipulate. I apologize if it appeared I meant otherwise. I don't have any problem with your willingness to look at alternative explanations for world events and government actions. I have no love whatsoever for much of what America has done or is doing; in fact I lived in El Salvador during the American influenced civil war there (as the son of the American Ambassador, so I had quite a view) and in Kosovo during and before the bombing.
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11-14-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why does America send 1/3 of it's entire foreign aid to Israel, a country whose income per household is better than Spain and Ireland?
The owners of Pokerstars are Israeli.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why is the Middle Class struggling so much?
Pokerstars is rigging the RNG against middle class people.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why are there no jobs?
Pokerstars fired everyone.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why is immigration worse?
Pokerstars ships in immigrants under the cover of darkness.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why are the wealthy becoming wealthier during a massive reccession?
Pokerstars rigs the RNG in favour of wealthy people.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why are we fighting many wars in the middle east and about to start more when the economy is on it's knees?
Pokerstars has a sponsorhip deal for all future wars.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Was the great depression planned, and why did the elite profit so much?
Pokerstars planned it. For lolz.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Who funded the Nazi party?
Pokerstars, ldo.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Who allowed 9/11 to happen?
Pokerstars, ldo.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why did we Invade Iraq and murder so many innocent people?
Pokerstars controls all western governments.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Why did we invade Afghanistan and murder so many innocent people?
Pokerstars has a taste for blood.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Who runs the world's banks?
Pokerstars, ldo.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Do the world bank's control American policy?
No. Pokerstars does.
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Are western countries losing their identity?
No. It will be good for everyone to wear Pokerstars baseball caps.

Some of the questions you raised have serious answers. There is also plenty of evidence to support some of your beliefs. What those questions have to do with rigged RNGs is a matter for you and your psychiatrist to discuss.
Thanks for the thread derail.
Keep spreading that fear, uncertainty and doubt. It's just what poker needs right now!
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11-14-2011 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Very obvious we are dealing with affiliates/shills. That has been established a while back though.
I must have missed that bit.
Where exactly was it "established" that posters in this thread are shills/affiliates? I'm pretty sure it was established in your imagination, but not in the real world.
Evidence or GTFO.
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11-14-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
I must have missed that bit.
Where exactly was it "established" that posters in this thread are shills/affiliates? I'm pretty sure it was established in your imagination, but not in the real world.
Evidence or GTFO.
We "shills", are masters of hiding all evidence, yet at the same time it's "obvious" to people like blantantlyrigged that we are shills.

I'm still trying to figure that one out myself.
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