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07-15-2012 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
I know you are a team moshman coach. Maybe you are here to find some students..dont know and dont care...Iam winning player bro, i dont need riggie theories or escuses for downswings. I just mentioned before that i dont believe its COMPLETELY random. ok??
Weren't you the one who can see patterns?
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07-15-2012 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
I know you are a team moshman coach. Maybe you are here to find some students..dont know and dont care...Iam winning player bro, i dont need riggie theories or escuses for downswings. I just mentioned before that i dont believe its COMPLETELY random. ok??
LOL. Yep, students=suckers.

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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Lol at you quoting that statement and saying amen when you are really the one that lives in this thread. The level of stupidity it would take to do that and not realize the way it would look is truly staggering and pretty much sums up the level you are forced to live on mentally every day. If you werent so arrogant Id actually feel sorry for you.
LOL LOL......Take a good look at yourself. Feel sorry for you, not me. I dont defend an obvious internet scam(online poker) as if my life depended on it.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-15-2012 at 06:33 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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07-15-2012 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
I know you are a team moshman coach. Maybe you are here to find some students..dont know and dont care...Iam winning player bro, i dont need riggie theories or escuses for downswings. I just mentioned before that i dont believe its COMPLETELY random. ok??

Good chance you are just doing a good troll routine, in which case congrats.

If not then I am not quite sure what to tell you as until you quoted me above I had not even seen any of your posts, so you are engaging in a conversation with someone who did not really know you were even there, which is a tad strange.

If we rejected you for coaching at some point get over it already. I catch up on most of the thread every few weeks to see if there are any actually interesting, genuine riggies which is difficult to find amid the noise. No recruitment has been done in this thread for a while, which given it's current state is not much of a surprise.

Have you even figured out that my post you quoted had nothing to do with you in any way shape or form?

Why don't you just post that you see patterns and shills live here and at least then you can get a hug from other riggies. After that you should cash out and never play again (other riggies say you cannot ever win, just ask them). After that go support that Magic guy and his videos with clicks for his advertising revenue.

Regarding coaching - get some in following a conversation first, then worry about poker.

All the best.
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07-15-2012 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
If someone is stupid and naive enough to play a manipulated internet game for money, they will believe anything thats told to them.
This actually is a valid point. I would never play a game for money that I thought was being manipulated against me.

But you sir have. Over and over again. That being an indisputable fact, would you then admit, using your very own set of rules and logic, that you are stupid and naive? Again, you just said this literally two minutes ago. No one else made this statement. It was just you. I am quoting you directly and accurately applying your theory because it is very sound and solid.

?????
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07-15-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
This actually is a valid point. I would never play a game for money that I thought was being manipulated against me.

But you sir have. Over and over again. That being an indisputable fact, would you then admit, using your very own set of rules and logic, that you are stupid and naive? Again, you just said this literally two minutes ago. No one else made this statement. It was just you. I am quoting you directly and accurately applying your theory because it is very sound and solid.

?????
I think you've checkmated him, 5.
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07-15-2012 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
The fact that there are paid shills that live on this thread every day of their life speaks volumes.
Who is paid? How much? Who pays them? If you don't know, have a guess.

The fact that you make stuff up on the internet speaks volumes about you.
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07-15-2012 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
LOL. Yep, students=suckers.
And then it happens. Unknowingly he makes a post that sums up the true reason he sucks at poker. The players that take the time and work to learn and as a result consistently beat the game are suckers. You, instead of taking this path, choose to cry and moan about ghosts and imaginary creatures and while thousands and thousands of people are winning you sit in your corner losing and telling those winning masses they are actually all lying about winning as part of a huge conspiracy against you. A+
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07-15-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
I think you've checkmated him, 5.
Lol no. He will just knock the pieces of the board and leave the room. Then he will want to play again tomorrow and still be undefeated in his mind.

Anyways, Ive had my share. I usually can take a minute or two here but my patience starts to wear thin and I need to just stop. Ill let the rest of the site promoters and or shills take my place. After all, its 6:53, my shift was over at 6:00 anyways and we all know how stingy the sites can be with overtime payments. GL guys.
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07-15-2012 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
And then it happens. Unknowingly he makes a post that sums up the true reason he sucks at poker. The players that take the time and work to learn and as a result consistently beat the game are suckers. You, instead of taking this path, choose to cry and moan about ghosts and imaginary creatures and while thousands and thousands of people are winning you sit in your corner losing and telling those winning masses they are actually all lying about winning as part of a huge conspiracy against you. A+
You know Mr. shill, you are so full of ****, I can smell you from here.
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07-15-2012 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Weren't you the one who can see patterns?
yes, and i told that i aceppt the rules since the beginning. In my opinion its not completely random.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Good chance you are just doing a good troll routine, in which case congrats.

If not then I am not quite sure what to tell you as until you quoted me above I had not even seen any of your posts, so you are engaging in a conversation with someone who did not really know you were even there, which is a tad strange.

If we rejected you for coaching at some point get over it already. I catch up on most of the thread every few weeks to see if there are any actually interesting, genuine riggies which is difficult to find amid the noise. No recruitment has been done in this thread for a while, which given it's current state is not much of a surprise.

Have you even figured out that my post you quoted had nothing to do with you in any way shape or form?

Why don't you just post that you see patterns and shills live here and at least then you can get a hug from other riggies. After that you should cash out and never play again (other riggies say you cannot ever win, just ask them). After that go support that Magic guy and his videos with clicks for his advertising revenue.

Regarding coaching - get some in following a conversation first, then worry about poker.

All the best.
You rejecting my aplication??? you dont know for yourself... you have people coaching that are not even winners, others who write books " how to crush sngs" when they never crushed themselvs. Your mentor is an example of a good marketing product that sells him self very well but never had proven results.
Go read my previous posts in 2+2 and maybe you find something useful to teach your students.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-16-2012 at 01:11 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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07-15-2012 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
Go read my previous posts in 2+2 and maybe you find something useful to teach your students.
What, like whining because another reg calls your shoves light because they know you're shoving ridiculously wide?
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07-16-2012 , 12:03 AM
You understand anything about icm fish??? You dont know you have atc spots in sngs?? Is that a good call for you? omfg
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07-16-2012 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Le Gonso
From now let's all just respond to these threads with "yes, of course they're rigged." Whatever makes you guys feel better.
do you even play poker, besides replying to threads?
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07-16-2012 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
You know Mr. shill, you are so full of ****, I can smell you from here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection well done sir, again..although it's getting really old by now.
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07-16-2012 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
LOL. Yep, students=suckers.
5th gave a brilliant answer already to that one. It's exactly what is wrong with people like yourself, you think you are too good for it, but don't even realise that you actually know very little of the game and are not willing to improve. It's easier to blame others for your shortcomings innit?


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LOL LOL......Take a good look at yourself. Feel sorry for you, not me. I dont defend an obvious internet scam(online poker) as if my life depended on it.
Coming from a person who really lives in this thread, hillarious. 2.5k posts with zero logic, well done sir.
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07-16-2012 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
You understand anything about icm fish??? You dont know you have atc spots in sngs?? Is that a good call for you? omfg
You really shouldn't take everything SNG Wiz says as the ultimate answer on how to play poker. . While in a vacuum it might be correct, from a math perspective, following it blindly is in my honest opinion just wrong.
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07-16-2012 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
You understand anything about icm fish??? You dont know you have atc spots in sngs?? Is that a good call for you? omfg
Wah wah wah ICM. Even the people who replied to your thread pissing and moaning said that going by ICM it was a bad call, but there's more to poker than just ICM.

Shouldn't you have won that hand anyway since you had more chips than villain?
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07-16-2012 , 12:58 AM
BR now has the 2nd most posts in this thread.
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07-16-2012 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
BR now has the 2nd most posts in this thread.
Don't forget that it is his second account.
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07-16-2012 , 06:44 AM
rigged for me


SB: $100.73 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 20
BB: $100.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 8
[b]Hero (UTG): $108.03
UTG+1: $100.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 6
MP: $74.66 - VPIP: 45, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
CO: $104.86 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 174
BTN: $41.98 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 6.0, Hands: 32

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 4 4
Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, MP calls $2.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.50) 7 7 K (2 players)
Hero bets $4.00, MP calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($14.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $49.00, MP calls $49

Final Pot: $112.50
Hero shows 4 4
MP mucks J K
Hero wins $109.50
(Rake: $3.00)
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07-16-2012 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
You rejecting my aplication??? you dont know for yourself...
I already stated that I have no idea how or why you even posted to me since until then I never knew you existed (and the post you replied to as if it was posted to you actually had nothing to do with you).

I have to assume we have some sort of history, so the logical guess would be that you were one of the many people we passed on to coach or stake. Otherwise I have no idea why you are so angry (not that I actually mind or care).



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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
you have people coaching that are not even winners, others who write books " how to crush sngs" when they never crushed themselvs. Your mentor is an example of a good marketing product that sells him self very well but never had proven results.
Go read my previous posts in 2+2 and maybe you find something useful to teach your students.
Your posting history shows you have a basic, simplistic approach to the game. You do post on the strategy forums which is good, though you seem upset when people do not agree with you.

Your lifetime volume is small - 600ish games and your buy ins are tiny, so that fits with your posting style of a person who plays a little, reads some information and cannot really apply it yet to the dynamic situations that occur within the game. You are better than the newbie who played in 2004, but the games have become tougher and guys like you are essentially the new donks, and indeed we do teach beating today's crop of donks as that is where they money comes from long term.

You also sound kind of mad that others have success that you do not yet (nor likely will ever) accomplish. Sadly that is a fairly common human trait.

All the best.
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07-16-2012 , 11:41 AM
Why is this debate still going on? All of the "riggies" that have been spamming this thread could have read a couple books/studied/reviewed their hand histories to figure out they have leaks.
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07-16-2012 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I already stated that I have no idea how or why you even posted to me since until then I never knew you existed (and the post you replied to as if it was posted to you actually had nothing to do with you).

I have to assume we have some sort of history, so the logical guess would be that you were one of the many people we passed on to coach or stake. Otherwise I have no idea why you are so angry (not that I actually mind or care).





Your posting history shows you have a basic, simplistic approach to the game. You do post on the strategy forums which is good, though you seem upset when people do not agree with you.

Your lifetime volume is small - 600ish games and your buy ins are tiny, so that fits with your posting style of a person who plays a little, reads some information and cannot really apply it yet to the dynamic situations that occur within the game. You are better than the newbie who played in 2004, but the games have become tougher and guys like you are essentially the new donks, and indeed we do teach beating today's crop of donks as that is where they money comes from long term.

You also sound kind of mad that others have success that you do not yet (nor likely will ever) accomplish. Sadly that is a fairly common human trait.

All the best.
600ish games and your buy ins are tiny? Bro, when you were playing small stakes stts i already was a high stakes player. I play ~5k sits per month and also coach in both sngs and mtts. We dont have history but i hate people like you who love to troll and flame other people in forums thinking they are superior when they are just fishys with no proven results. Post your graphs here if iam wrong.
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07-16-2012 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Weren't you the one who can see patterns?
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
yes ... In my opinion its not completely random.
Interesting comment.

If you couldn't see the patterns in the deal, that would make it random, by definition?

How could the current RNGs, or internet poker sites' dealing methods, be made to produce random deals?

Can you tell what card is or isn't going to fall on the river because of the patterns you see? (Obviously, if you can't, in effect that is as good as the randomness you don't feel is present.)

How do you dispel the numerous distribution presentations by PokerTracker, etc, users, that have shown every card that has fallen over hundreds of thousands of deals conform to the expectations of a totally random deal?

Thank you, in advance, for your valuable input on trying to put this debate to bed, once and for all.
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07-16-2012 , 01:57 PM
I don't even think he's saying the RNGs aren't random, just that big stacks win more often than they should.

So he's not saying it's rigged...but he thinks it's rigged.
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