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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,508 34.88%
No
5,615 55.84%
Undecided
933 9.28%

11-29-2013 , 04:52 PM
[ ] has nothing to do with playing 2 pair on a A345 board in a hi/low game.
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11-29-2013 , 04:58 PM
Shortstack hit and run is definitely the way to go on pokerstars. If you know when to leave it's insanely profitable.
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11-29-2013 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
I'm not watching a half hour of your stupid video when by the 7 minute mark you've already been shown to be FOS.
You do know you can go straight to the 37 minute mark on the video without watching the previous 37 minutes first right?

You really come across quite dumb tbf, You are passionately attacking my posts whilst admitting you haven't and won't watch the videos lol!! Weirdo.
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11-29-2013 , 05:48 PM
Isn't it strange that 60% of the vote in this thread says that Online Poker isn't rigged, yet only 5% of players who play online poker are winning players?

Bit odd that isn't it? The numbers don't seem to add up.

That must mean that for every 19 players that are losing, 12 of them will log themselves onto a message board, take all their losses and bad beats on the chin and attack anybody who dares say Online Poker could be possibly rigged.

CraZY

Last edited by AllInJim; 11-29-2013 at 05:57 PM.
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11-29-2013 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Isn't it strange that 60% of the vote in this thread says that Online Poker isn't rigged, yet only 5% of players who play online poker are winning players?

Bit odd that isn't it? The numbers don't seem to add up.
LOL, what? Leaving aside the question of whether 5% is accurate, were you expecting the two numbers to match up? There's a numbers issue I'll mention below, but also, believe it or not some people are able to grasp the fact that they can lose at poker without it being rigged. They're probably on 2+2 to learn to be better players.

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Originally Posted by AllInJim
That must mean that for every 19 players that are losing, 12 of them will log themselves onto a message board, take all their losses and bad beats on the chin and attack anybody who dares say Online Poker could be possibly rigged.

CraZY
Um, no.

~7,000 of our 380,000+ members have voted in this poll. And if you really think the percentages of this poll would hold up across the entire forum membership, you're kidding yourself. I'd expect that most non-riggies ignore this thread (a wise decision on their part), while many riggies are here solely for the purpose of posting in this thread.
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11-29-2013 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL, what? Leaving aside the question of whether 5% is accurate, were you expecting the two numbers to match up? There's a numbers issue I'll mention below, but also, believe it or not some people are able to grasp the fact that they can lose at poker without it being rigged. They're probably on 2+2 to learn to be better players.


Um, no.

~7,000 of our 380,000+ members have voted in this poll. And if you really think the percentages of this poll would hold up across the entire forum membership, you're kidding yourself. I'd expect that most non-riggies ignore this thread (a wise decision on their part), while many riggies are here solely for the purpose of posting in this thread.
I am guessing with your name highlighted in Blue you must be a Mod or Admin right?

To reply to my post in the way you have clearly suggests your role on this website must fit a certain agenda.
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11-29-2013 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
I am guessing with your name highlighted in Blue you must be a Mod or Admin right?
Yup.

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Originally Posted by AllInJim
To reply to my post in the way you have clearly suggests your role on this website must fit a certain agenda.
So people disagreeing with you have to have an agenda?

I voluntarily help out on the site by moderating. I also sell advertising for the site, to both online and live poker rooms. Now you know much more about any potential agenda I might have than you do about anyone else, or than I do about you. I didn't post that based on any agenda; you can choose to believe that or not, obviously.

Now how about addressing my post rather than who I am or why I may have posted it?
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11-29-2013 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Isn't it strange that 60% of the vote in this thread says that Online Poker isn't rigged, yet only 5% of players who play online poker are winning players?

Bit odd that isn't it? The numbers don't seem to add up.
Mathematics is hard.

Anyway, lets get to the good bit. I saw your posts about when a player is playing 2 tables and they have a pocket pair on one table, the next flop on the next table has a card of that rank on it.

I will be interested to test out your theory next time I play.

What should I look out for ? What exactly is your theory ?

What result would confirm your theory ? What result would show that you are mistaken ?

If I did confirm your theory, what would this show about how the pokersites are rigging the deal ? How are they making more money by doing it ?
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11-29-2013 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Now how about addressing my post rather than who I am or why I may have posted it?
Ok if you insist but it won't end well for you


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I'd expect that most non-riggies ignore this thread (a wise decision on their part), while many riggies are here solely for the purpose of posting in this thread.
If non riggies were avoiding this thread, where as riggies were not, would that not make the results of the poll even more unexplainable?
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11-29-2013 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Ok if you insist but it won't end well for you
Go for it. Admins & mods around here need taking down a peg or two in my opinion.
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11-29-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
Mathematics is hard.

Anyway, lets get to the good bit. I saw your posts about when a player is playing 2 tables and they have a pocket pair on one table, the next flop on the next table has a card of that rank on it.

I will be interested to test out your theory next time I play.

What should I look out for ? What exactly is your theory ?

What result would confirm your theory ? What result would show that you are mistaken ?

If I did confirm your theory, what would this show about how the pokersites are rigging the deal ? How are they making more money by doing it ?
What website do you play on and what is your Username? Tell me that and I will answer your questions. Ok?
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11-29-2013 , 07:24 PM
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What website do you play on and what is your Username? Tell me that and I will answer your questions. Ok?
I play mostly on pokerstars. I am not going to state my SN in this thread explicitly, but it is a long way from being secret.

Neither of those things is relevant to your stating exactly what the rig does that you are alleging, or specifying how you would like someone to go about confirming it for you.
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11-29-2013 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
I play mostly on pokerstars. I am not going to state my SN in this thread explicitly, but it is a long way from being secret.

Neither of those things is relevant to your stating exactly what the rig does that you are alleging, or specifying how you would like someone to go about confirming it for you.
If you don't want to give me your username then I am not going to explain anything to somebody who I deeply suspect already knows.
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11-29-2013 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
If you don't want to give me your username then I am not going to explain anything to somebody who I deeply suspect already knows.
1. You seem rather paranoid.

2. If you are trying to expose a rig by saying that there is one, but that the details are secret, I suspect that your campaign may not be too successful.

In any event, my offer stands.
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11-29-2013 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
1. You seem rather paranoid.

2. If you are trying to expose a rig by saying that there is one, but that the details are secret, I suspect that your campaign may not be too successful.

In any event, my offer stands.

If I did have any kind of campaign it ended immediately when I started reading the responses I got. I am happy for it to be unsuccessful now. My plan was to reveal a lot more but not now, not on here, I will let the big mouths keep getting their big pairs cracked by sets In the later stages of tournaments and let them keep putting it down to variance.
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11-29-2013 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
If I did have any kind of campaign it ended immediately when I started reading the responses I got. I am happy for it to be unsuccessful now. My plan was to reveal a lot more but not now, not on here, I will let the big mouths keep getting their big pairs cracked by sets In the later stages of tournaments and let them keep putting it down to variance.
That is pretty dishonourable of you if you are aware of people being actively and systematically cheated and are willing to let it continue.
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11-29-2013 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
That is pretty dishonourable of you if you are aware of people being actively and systematically cheated and are willing to let it continue.
That's life, You Shouldn't bite the hand that try's to feed. I won't help people that abuse and laugh at me. Would you?
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11-29-2013 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
If I did have any kind of campaign it ended immediately when I started reading the responses I got. I am happy for it to be unsuccessful now. My plan was to reveal a lot more but not now, not on here, I will let the big mouths keep getting their big pairs cracked by sets In the later stages of tournaments and let them keep putting it down to variance.
So a bunch of innocent people are getting ripped off but you wont stop it because a few *******s itt. I think that would make you the biggest ******* itt.
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11-29-2013 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
That's life, You Shouldn't bite the hand that try's to feed. I won't help people that abuse and laugh at me. Would you?
Actually I would.

I understand though if you feel that you can't. The poker community will have to soldier on.
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11-29-2013 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
So a bunch of innocent people are getting ripped off but you wont stop it because a few *******s itt. I think that would make you the biggest ******* itt.
I am one of the biggest ****ing itt, you say I wont stop it! It's not possible to stop it because It is impossible to have a voice in the online poker world, It is quickly drowned out by clowns who are all part of the scam.

If you want me too help you, then help yourself first, my previous posts hold all the answers to your questions, View the videos, watch for what I said, then come back to me if you haven't figured it out for yourself.

Adios, off to bed.
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11-29-2013 , 08:28 PM
meanwhile on the isle of man...

Spoiler:
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11-29-2013 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
Actually I would.

I understand though if you feel that you can't. The poker community will have to soldier on.
Actually I will give you a bit more info before I go to sleep. You might be a good guy so I feel a bit guilty so I will take a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhhdymcPss

This video. If you know what I do you would know why this player does the following....

Watch from 36.45 to 37.54

Watch how as soon as he notices he has pocket 99s on the 2nd table at 36.50 he then brings up a box to try and cover up what he is going to next, what he is going to do next is at 37.02 is he is going to slyly move the table on the left slightly away from the one on the right then puts it straight back again, trying to use the box as cover, there is a reason why he done this

Ill reveal why, well, depending on how much abuse I have got when I log on again tomorrow.
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11-29-2013 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
View the videos, watch for what I said, then come back to me if you haven't figured it out for yourself.
Translation:

I got nothing, but I will get some satisfaction from the knowledge that other people might be wasting their time on my account; with bonus points for mysteriousness and the ability to indefinitely claim that I have secret info that others are too stupid to recognise for themselves.
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11-29-2013 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Actually I will give you a bit more info before I go to sleep. You might be a good guy so I feel a bit guilty so I will take a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhhdymcPss

This video. If you know what I do you would know why this player does the following....

Watch from 36.45 to 37.54

Watch how as soon as he notices he has pocket 99s on the 2nd table at 36.50 he then brings up a box to try and cover up what he is going to next, what he is going to do next is at 37.02 is he is going to slyly move the table on the left slightly away from the one on the right then puts it straight back again, trying to use the box as cover, there is a reason why he done this

Ill reveal why, well, depending on how much abuse I have got when I log on again tomorrow.
OK, so he gets 99 on one table.

Despite the deck being fixed now on that table, he moves the other table to the left and back slightly. This now changes the board runout on the 99 table ? Bringing a straight, that he doesn't have, and a flush, that he doesn't have, and he rivers a 9. He thin value bets into a massive 11 big blind pot with middle set and gets paid off.

I truly have no idea what you think you saw there.

Are you saying that he was a superuser or exploited some kind of pokerstars bug ? Or that stars rigged the deal somehow to give him a set on the river, which was a million miles from being the nuts ?
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11-29-2013 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Watch from 36.45 to 37.54

Watch how as soon as he notices he has pocket 99s on the 2nd table at 36.50 he then brings up a box to try and cover up what he is going to next, what he is going to do next is at 37.02 is he is going to slyly move the table on the left slightly away from the one on the right then puts it straight back again, trying to use the box as cover, there is a reason why he done this
yeah people go by the most obvious things in this topic because they are blinded by prejudice. but you will not get any appreciation for your thoughts from most people in this topic
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