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11-28-2013 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by franxic
The only loooool is that thread has been closed!!! This website backs up the Online Poker Companies.
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11-28-2013 , 05:50 PM
Sure bud. The most likely reason for closing your thread is that it was in the completely wrong forum. This one would be correct. There have been many threads not been closed which attacked pokersites, and actually some pokersite scandals came to public here.
But simple logic is not what conspiracy fans like. Why wasn't your screenshot deleted if it proves something and the mod wanted to "back up pokersites"?

A question: Do you use tracker software?
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11-28-2013 , 05:54 PM
If you have the time, watch these 2 videos and watch for the following.

Everytime this player has a pocket pair JJ or under, the next flop on the other table will always have one of those pair cards on it. Without fail for an hour and a half this happens. Even when he has had 2 pairs on one table before there has been a flop on the other, the flop will bring down both of those cards.

Now when you have watched that here is the key thing, watch how this player then slightly moves the table on the right away from the other and then puts it back again, everytime this happens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkuJwjQysYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYhhdymcPss

Now if you believe Online Poker isn't rigged and websites like this do not solely exist to protect them, see how long this post lasts before it is deleted.

Peace Out
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11-28-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
The only loooool is that thread has been closed!!! This website backs up the Online Poker Companies.
I guess you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is then?
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11-28-2013 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by intclock
if you can predict the outcome of allins you should be laughing all the way to the bank... crossbook that x1000



could it be that your method of calculating odds is getting you into bad spots?

also, the screen shot you posted in mtcc shows that you were playing in a multi-entry tourney. chances of the bad beat you took with entry 1 showing up in the hand history of entry 2 are pretty low.

i'm probably wasting my time responding to a troll, but whatever; i've got time to kill.
How could he make money predicting all ins , After your all in and you see your ahead , you can predict some donk will catch his 47 and take down your well played AA or KK its after your committed you see the travesty . It is to late then , so don't be so quick to say " you can make money predicting the outcome. there are ways to exploit the rig but its more subtle and requires more patience than it may be worth ..... you shills always think what you say is gospel , when actually your talking out your ass more than the riggies....
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11-28-2013 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
I guess you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is then?
What is that supposed to mean?
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11-28-2013 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Everytime this player has a pocket pair JJ or under, the next flop on the other table will always have one of those pair cards on it. Without fail for an hour and a half this happens. Even when he has had 2 pairs on one table before there has been a flop on the other, the flop will bring down both of those cards.
Stopped watching after these:

3:15 - 99 on left table. Never saw a flop on right table.
3:40 - 66 on left table. Never saw a flop on right table.


You really shouldn't stop taking your Haloperidol...
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11-28-2013 , 06:04 PM
To the HH issue: You know that HHs are often stored on hard disk later than you actually played, because it actually stays on RAM until you close the client or tracker or shut down your computer?

Did you ever wonder why your hard disk is not steadily busy while you play*? That's why.



*(given you have enough RAM, and even when not it is on a so called swapfile and still not stored on its place before you are finished)

Last edited by franxic; 11-28-2013 at 06:13 PM.
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11-28-2013 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
you can watch a table and predict the winner in advance between 2 all ins almost to 100% accuracy
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
$50 (escrow required - Details of the bet to be finalized with the expected riggy backpedaling and goal post shifting to come) says you can't.
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
What is that supposed to mean?
- We both escrow $50
- You pick a site (Must be top 50 on PokerScout)
- You pick a table
- We both observe table
- For every preflop all-in you must predict the winner on Skype prior to any board cards being dealt.
- Making no prediction or predicting after the flop is dealt counts as a fail.
- We observe 20 all-ins
- If you successfully predict 18 (90%) you win the bet. Any less and I win.
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11-28-2013 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
How could he make money predicting all ins , After your all in and you see your ahead , you can predict some donk will catch his 47 and take down your well played AA or KK its after your committed you see the travesty .
Please tell me about all the times you get AIPF with AA and you're not ahead...
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11-28-2013 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
- We both escrow $50
- You pick a site (Must be top 50 on PokerScout)
- You pick a table
- We both observe table
- For every preflop all-in you must predict the winner on Skype prior to any board cards being dealt.
- Making no prediction or predicting after the flop is dealt counts as a fail.
- We observe 20 all-ins
- If you successfully predict 18 (90%) you win the bet. Any less and I win.
I'll take the 90% challenge if we do 5000 all-ins for $500. And I can tell you all my picks right now so all we need to do is get the hand histories. No need to watch.
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11-28-2013 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
- For every preflop all-in you must predict the winner on Skype prior to any board cards being dealt.
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I'll take the 90% challenge if we do 5000 all-ins for $500. And I can tell you all my picks right now so all we need to do is get the hand histories. No need to watch.
ISWYDT
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11-28-2013 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I'll take the 90% challenge if we do 5000 all-ins for $500. And I can tell you all my picks right now so all we need to do is get the hand histories. No need to watch.
Only if you'll let me bet you $1000 on the Ravens to win SuperBowl XLVII...
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11-28-2013 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Stopped watching after these:

3:15 - 99 on left table. Never saw a flop on right table.
3:40 - 66 on left table. Never saw a flop on right table.


You really shouldn't stop taking your Haloperidol...
So you stopped watching without seeing a flop on the right table? I'm not saying they happen at the same time.
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11-28-2013 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
So you stopped watching without seeing a flop on the right table? I'm not saying they happen at the same time.
3:15 - 99 on left table. Next flop on right table at 7:29. Flop is JK9
3:40 - 66 on left table. Next flop on right table at 7:29. Flop is JK9


Please talk to your doctor about modifying your prescription. It obviously isn't working.
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11-28-2013 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Only if you'll let me bet you $1000 on the Ravens to win SuperBowl XLVII...
I'm talking about future hands, no tricks.
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11-28-2013 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I'm talking about future hands, no tricks.
Then I'm pretty sure the angle you think you're shooting is a bad one, but I'd be love to hear differently (I'd be more than happy if Jim [or you] picked the favorite every time since often the favorite is 60% or less).
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11-28-2013 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Then I'm pretty sure the angle you think you're shooting is a bad one, but I'd be love to hear differently (I'd be more than happy if Jim [or you] picked the favorite every time since often the favorite is 60% or less).
For 20 hands he will lose. For 5000 hands I will win. If you don't think so then take the bet. I did the math.
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11-28-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
3:15 - 99 on left table. Next flop on right table at 7:29. Flop is JK9
3:40 - 66 on left table. Next flop on right table at 7:29. Flop is JK9


Please talk to your doctor about modifying your prescription. It obviously isn't working.
So basically 99 on the left table, next flop on the right table has a 9 on it.

Proving exactly what I said yeah?
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11-28-2013 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
For 20 hands he will lose. For 5000 hands I will win. If you don't think so then take the bet.
He'll lose because his selection criteria will be riggy nonsense (and even if it wasn't, it's an almost unwinnable bet) while you believe you have an angle. I'm just trying to figure out what it is.

Wait, we are still talking about a 90% success rate (4500). Not the 18 of the original bet?
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11-28-2013 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AllInJim
So basically 99 on the left table, next flop on the right table has a 9 on it.

Proving exactly what I said yeah?
Nope. There's no 6 on that flop.

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Originally Posted by AllInJim
Everytime this player has a pocket pair JJ or under, the next flop on the other table will always have one of those pair cards on it. Without fail for an hour and a half this happens. Even when he has had 2 pairs on one table before there has been a flop on the other, the flop will bring down both of those cards.
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11-28-2013 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Nope. There's no 6 on that flop.
Watch from 36.45 to 37.54 on the 2nd video

Watch how on 37.02 he moves the table on the left slightly away from the one on the right then puts it straight back again, making sure the 9 appears on the right table instead of the left.
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11-28-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
Wait, we are still talking about a 90% success rate (4500). Not the 18 of the original bet?
Correct, I bet on getting 4500+ right.

Spoiler:
Let's say the favorite averages 60% equity (which is probably a little low). We expect it to win 3000 times with 1 standard deviation of 27. So a range of 500 underdog wins is plus or minus about 9 standard deviations. Still want to bet?

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11-28-2013 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Correct, I bet on getting 4500+ right.
Please write out your proposed bet in full.

Thanks.
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11-28-2013 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Please write out your proposed bet in full.

Thanks.
I bet I can pick 4500+ winners for 5000 preflop allins with a single caller. My picks will be before the flop ( in fact before even dealing).
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