Fwiw, every site that I have ever played on has its own version of "you were Bovadad", "lol jokerstars", etc. and lots of talk in chat about how the game is rigged. Today there probably actually is more of it on a site like Bovada compared to a site like Stars though, because there is a much higher % of rec players per table due to table limits, sportsbook, etc, not to mention the table limit itself playing some role in the amount of chat in general.

Obviously.

Anytime you can't see the cards shuffled and dealt with your own eyes, people are going to have rigged deal theories, and that is never going to go away for online poker no matter what kind of regulation or auditing is performed. All you can do is continue to look at your own and other people's large hand history databases that all look normal, at least all that have ever been posted here.

Understood but some of the claims about Bovada ITT and others are not from "rec players" or at least from people claiming to have played poker both online and live. My point being that it's odd for anyone to dismiss what others claim about Bovada if they haven't played there personally. Bovada's deal, card distribution or whatever the correct terminology, seems to stand out.

It's not odd at all to dismiss unfounded claims. Quite the opposite, in fact.

It's not odd at all though, because people have made similar claims about every site that has ever existed and no evidence has ever actually been produced to support those claims. So, obviously no one is going to be very inclined to spend much time and effort to investigate rigged deal claim #43542745732 themselves, which is why people that make the claims are encouraged to provide the evidence themselves.

Edit: To use the haunted house analogy, I might go over there once or twice. I'm not going over there 5,000 times if nothing happened the first 4,999 times.

I don't play on bovada.

I'm not dismissing your claim. It could be true, but at this point I suspect that it isn't.

It is your claim, it is on you to prove it, not expect other people to go play on bovada, collate and analyse the hand histories, generally do the work that you can't be bothered with.

Whoa, I don't "expect" anything from random people on the internet, so I don't know where that came from and it's not on me to prove anything, I'm not out to convince anyone of anything. My point was that it's odd, in relation to "shill claims" that posters who present themselves as regular people with no agenda, dismiss something they haven't bothered simply checking for themselves. Fine dismiss it and don't do anything one feels is a waste of their time but don't act as if anyone owes you anything.

Is it not equally, if not more, odd that players who are convinced a site is rigged and will make tens or hundreds of posts trying to convince others, never post any credible evidence?

Like I just posted "odd" in relation to people claiming to having no agenda and being open to the chance of a "rig" or something unfair going on. Again, I don't expect anyone, nor would I bother, checking every claim made ITT or elsewhere but I also wouldn't suggest anyone bother "proving" something I could check for myself rather easily.

Who are these people trying to convince others abut a "rig" though? I post ITT to vent, get some opinions from others about my perceptions and see if others have similar perceptions, not to prove some point or convince random people on the internet of anything.

There have been dozens, and probably hundreds, of people spending plenty of time posting ITT their very precise theories of rigging that is going on. These posters go well beyond what I would consider to be venting, and get quite upset when people won't take their theories at face value.

Well, for one thing, like others have said already, it's not something that a person could check for themselves rather easily. What method would you suggest that someone use to do that? Just casually observe some hands and see if anything out of the ordinary happens? That wouldn't mean anything at all.

I only post in this thread occasionally when I'm bored, and my posting history shows that it's extremely unlikely that I'm any sort of shill. I would also say that I'm open to the possibility of an online poker site rigging its deal, and I'm also not interested in following up on your claim for reasons that I've already mentioned. That's not what being open to the possibility of something means. If someone produced some evidence of the existence of a chupacabra, I'd be interested in seeing that. I'm not going to go driving around in the desert in Mexico looking for one because some crazy old man told me a story about it though.

It came from here:

888's RNG is designed to make people go bust with a pair. If I flop a pair I'll never have the best hand by the river, it's sick. And it's not just me that has discovered the site is rigged. In a 6max game today, four of us all agreed 888 is a ****ing rigged site. If you get trips, someone has a full house. If you have a full house, someone has quads. If you have a pair, someone has 2 pair. If you've got 2 pair someone absolutely will have a set even though there's only 5 set combos avaliable OTF. And if I have a pair preflop, someone ALWAYS ALWAYS HAS A HIGHER PAIR.

It's a disgrace, whenever I get a pair or two pair I get ****ed over by the deck. Most people on 888 agree it's rigged when I bring the topic up in game. Can't be coincidence.

^^You misplayed all three hands, congrats. Hand three was a little unlucky, but your river call was lolbad. Are you lpo?


It never ceases to amaze me that people that say nothing else than "provide proof that site xy is rigged, it's easy, you have access to the data and access to the ressources" are labeled shills. Would be the dumbest shilling imaginable encouraging to destroy the company they allegedly receive a paycheque from, even post a step-for-step-tutorial to do it, or in Monty's case, offer a $5k bet with huge odds for anyone managing to do so.

But then again, what do I expect.

If I play on 888 will I be the other guy?

I don't know but 888 has definitely rigged it against me. I could provide countless more examples of me losing stacks. They don't want good players to win, I was talking to some other 2nl regs and they all agreed it was a joke and 888's deal wasn't random.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

That's exactly the basis for almost every claim that a site is rigged. They casually observe some hands and then make conclusions. But those exact same hands can be analysed more rigorously using statistics yet they never bother.

I see so many fish here stack off with just ace high or a draw yet I get it in with a solid pair and nah, the guy has a set, course he does, standard fare on 888. I've been stuck at 2nl for MONTHS because of **** like this. The most I've ever been up is 20 dollars but I've lost all that back to these stupid fish and am break even.

Or an 8. Or a ten. Or pocket 2s. Or pocket 3s. Or pocket 5s. Or pocket 6s. Or pocket 7s. Or pocket 8s. Or pocket 9s. Or pocket Ts. Or pocket Qs. Or pocket Ks. Or pocket As.

To be more specific I was referring to playing on Bovada to see what others are talking about in relation to how things play out, not doing weeks of collecting HH to test the data for a rig. I was also referring back to something I mentioned in the past ITT about new player "run good" on Bovada, which I linked a random post from the internet detailing something anyone could test, likely with a $20 deposit. The whole "desert/chupacabra" analogy doesn't apply, imo, because again playing on Bovada, if one chose to, would be rather easy.

This is not extra work if you are already playing anyway.

Actually analyzing them is a little work, but the results would carry much more weight than bad beat anecdotes (which have none).

Oh get real the villain was playing 65% of hands he should never have anything decent here. I put him on A2, maybe A3 or 45.