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03-07-2013 , 09:09 AM
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03-07-2013 , 10:45 AM
So for the sake of update on how bs rigged titan poker is..

Everytime im in a 3 bet pot, the opponent floats and gets his s.. on river... Pretty much unlucky as hell. It's like whenever I have TPTK or over pair im losing. Last 3 times I've flopped top two pair i've lost in most rediculous running runner ways..

Finally I give up despite that I still have bonus there. I just can't win with this amount of rigged. I truly miss the days when it was physically possible to win more than a c bet with AA..

So I'll try a new poker site and let u all know how rigged it is
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03-07-2013 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Faen
So for the sake of update on how bs rigged titan poker is..

Everytime im in a 3 bet pot, the opponent floats and gets his s.. on river... Pretty much unlucky as hell.
Avoid 3 bet pots. You will be less unlucky if your beliefs are true.

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Originally Posted by Faen
It's like whenever I have TPTK or over pair im losing. Last 3 times I've flopped top two pair i've lost in most rediculous running runner ways..
Fold TPTK, you will lose less if your beliefs are true.

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Originally Posted by Faen
Finally I give up.
Correct choice. You should never play another hand of online poker again.

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Originally Posted by Faen
I just can't win with this amount of rigged.
If this is the reason you need to cite to quit all forms of online poker then say it and then quit permanently.

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Originally Posted by Faen
Despite that I'm still in profits from the amount I managed to win in the first days. So I'll try a new poker site and let u all know how rigged they are
You will be back posting more of the same, and after you lose more I will suggest you quit all forms of online poker again.

Another riggie indicated that you guys can serve as a lesson to others who stumble on this thread - that lesson seems to be not to be like you guys who continue to set money on fire playing a game you believe is rigged against you. Hopefully some will learn from guys like you and not repeat what you do.

All the best.
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03-07-2013 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
OK, let me say it again.

When I say he needs to call $152 to win $422 I am describing the odds IF he calls. He can win $422, and if he chooses to call that then he needs/will have to/must put in $152.

I'm not saying that he needs/ought to/must call. In fact did I not explicitly say that I thought this was a bad call ?

By playing shortstacked, OP engineers a situation where these kind of pot commitment scenarios will happen all the time.

I am looking at that hand in a vacuum, I have no idea whether there was any dynamic between OP and the villain. Against an unknown, which is how I looked at it, I would take OP's play as having his hand face up and him having 100% value hands in this spot. If there could be a percentage of air in OP's range there, then it becomes close.

But really my point is more about shortstacking. In 3bet pots you will see stacks get in on the flop a LOT due to pot commitment issues. This doesn't make the villain's call here any better, but OP will see a lot of situations where his opponent calls off his stack light because of stacksizes.
And I'll ask again (since you evaded my question).

You see moronic all-in calls with nothing, no pair, no draw (in PLO no less) catch miracle runner runner everyday so it's perfectly normal to you and no cause for suspicion? It's just typical shortstacking light-a- match-to-it morons and miracles?

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OP will see a lot of situations where his opponent calls off his stack light because of stacksizes.
LIGHT?! Villain called with underoxygenated air. OP will see such moronic calls in this spot ONLY because the fish see the rig in action too and many have come to rely on it for salvation.

Seriously, what other explanation can there be? Drunk? Stupid? Misclick? Pokersite needs to protect all morons equally, whatever their affliction, in an effort to sustain Pokersite's idea of a healthy poker ecology – one that maximizes the number of players contributing to the rake.
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03-07-2013 , 02:38 PM
Everything is obvious.
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03-07-2013 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gzer
Everything is obvious.
Very Zen.
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03-07-2013 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
And I'll ask again (since you evaded my question).

You see moronic all-in calls with nothing, no pair, no draw (in PLO no less) catch miracle runner runner everyday so it's perfectly normal to you and no cause for suspicion? It's just typical shortstacking light-a- match-to-it morons and miracles?
Believe it or not there are a ton of players who have zero idea how to play. I got an all-in preflop vs a player holding KKKK who screamed on the rail after about how he was going to sue Pokerstars for stealing from him since he had quads (was the only time I was ever 100-0 preflop). I imagine his lawsuit did not go as he expected.

Here was another thread from a player who complained about a similar thing:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...proof-1289814/


I play a lot of Omaha tournaments, and when I do I see plays as bad as that or worse every single day, and they are generally always bad, losing players and nothing more (for the 6 max cash games there may be more player vs player dynamics with floats on flops to setup river bluffs etc).




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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
LIGHT?! Villain called with underoxygenated air. OP will see such moronic calls in this spot ONLY because the fish see the rig in action too and many have come to rely on it for salvation.
If you really want, when I play this weekend I will save some hands from the Omaha tournaments of the day, and you will see many as bad or worse than that.

While you may need massive complex conspiracies to exist, in the real world many times a bad play is because it is done by a bad player, and nothing more.


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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
Seriously, what other explanation can there be? Drunk? Stupid? Misclick? Pokersite needs to protect all morons equally, whatever their affliction, in an effort to sustain Pokersite's idea of a healthy poker ecology – one that maximizes the number of players contributing to the rake.
Interesting that you will never accept the simplest one - bad players play badly. In poker (unlike chess) at times they will still win despite that.

You should quit all forms of online poker - never play again.


All the best.



P.S.

This is a fun Omaha hand - clearly a setup cooler!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=10277
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03-07-2013 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Avoid 3 bet pots. You will be less unlucky if your beliefs are true.



Fold TPTK, you will lose less if your beliefs are true.



Correct choice. You should never play another hand of online poker again.



If this is the reason you need to cite to quit all forms of online poker then say it and then quit permanently.



You will be back posting more of the same, and after you lose more I will suggest you quit all forms of online poker again.

Another riggie indicated that you guys can serve as a lesson to others who stumble on this thread - that lesson seems to be not to be like you guys who continue to set money on fire playing a game you believe is rigged against you. Hopefully some will learn from guys like you and not repeat what you do.

All the best.
I wonder if you are right about the first two sentences. But the thing is, I do fold them most of the time. It still doesn't help..

Here's how it usually goes.

I hold QQ. 3 bet. Get a nice flop J high. I double barrel 3/4 of the pot. River is ace. I check and mother****er is all in and I fold. If he had pair of J's with no two pairs I think a reg would just check it back. I'm still not sure whether it was the right play, but I tried to learn from my extreme unluck and save myself from yet another bad beat. So this is how the site continously robs me of my money.

Next time I have QQ. A mf who always 3 bet 3 bets me. Flop is low card and he c bets. I shove and he shows AA.

Then I have AA. I call a triple barrel and lose to set.

Then I have AA again. Everyone like insta folds as if they all got dealt 72 or 93 etc.

Then I have KK, flop comes A, and opponent shows enough aggression to have the pair of A's.

Then next time I have AA. flop is K high. I'm out of position so i check and everyone checks. Turn is J. Short stack starts to bet. I call. Then bets river I call and he shows triple jacks.

Then next time I have AA, i bet, ****** floats. Then bet, ****** folds. That's a short story of my entire AA and KK history the last couple of days.

My set history is quite similar by the way, just worse lol.

As for TP TK, the site is setup to suck as much money from me as it can.

Obviously I should play poker again since I'm a winning player. I just have take a break such that the rig stops, or even turns in my favour.
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03-07-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Riggies genuinely that that nobody will believe the US sites (when they run) are rigged?

People already are deeply paranoid about the automated shuffler machines that many of these same US casinos use, and a decent percentage of the US population believes the government was responsible for flying planes into buildings over a decade ago.

You riggies are amateurs ever at understanding your own paranoia. Many of these same ones will be the ones screaming how the evil rig conspiracy involves the US sites once they play there, just like they did about the site that was built by riggies for riggies (Real Deal Poker) before it shut down.

All of you should never play another hand of online poker, except for the dude who plans to spend money to be a pro in Costa Rica.

All the best.
come on if you still did not know that the government did crash does planes into the world trade center.
You must have two digit IQ. I guess poker is not a game of IQ... you would suck at poker if your neo-positive generalizations are behind your self inserted logic and one-dimensional attitude . I bet you are atheist , they tent to have less brain power then other people.
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03-07-2013 , 03:36 PM
My life has been so great since Daniel and affiliates have been helping me cheat on Pokerstars.

I used to have a job that sucked horribly. Every morning I would have to wake at 6 am sharp to get on a bus and go to a warehouse to lift boxes, but since I have started rigging pokerstars, life is great.

I feel like my life is a real success story, and would like to share this with all of you as a show of my gratitude to Daniel and affiliates for BOOM switching me all of these years.

Before, I wasn't even able to feed my children Fruit loops.. but now they can eat whatever and whenever they choose. My wife is happy, I have a steady income now and we can finally have the great marriage we have always dreamed of. And the love life... well, lets just say since I've been sucking out, I've been getting sucked out. Hahaaaaa! Hi five.

Thank you so much, Daniel and affiliates. I appreciate all of this and wish you all the best.

Regards,
Mike the Canadian donk
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03-07-2013 , 03:36 PM
Today is a sad day.

Today is the day that I withdrawn all my online roll for never play online poker in my life again.

Pokertars is confirmed to be rigged exactly the way I said it is.

Every online poker company is rigging their software to cater to the casual players and shamelessly get rid of the regulars.

If you dont believe this, I have a 20k hand stretch where I lost 100% of hands that I went all in in front of >30% VPIP guys. I have a total of 35 hands I went all in against flush draws agains >30% VPIP guys who called and I lost every single one of them. Thats 35 bad beats IN A ROW against donks.

This is not even close to a random deal ...
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03-07-2013 , 03:42 PM
Made 1 million at micro 6max cash. hands mostly vs Italian players.
On-line Poker is not rigged, it is just that life is a bitch...
One time I joined high buy-in tourney with my bank roll .
Very deep tourney. I 5 bet AA from the BB and I can instant shove from UTG for over 200 bb's.
The guy had 33 . He hit a quads on the flop so no sweat .
He told me that he was drunk, I told him that he just robed me from all my money and that I am going to suicide... The guy send me my buy-in via player transfer
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03-07-2013 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdinand
If you dont believe this, I have a 20k hand stretch where I lost 100% of hands that I went all in in front of >30% VPIP guys. I have a total of 35 hands I went all in against flush draws agains >30% VPIP guys who called and I lost every single one of them. Thats 35 bad beats IN A ROW against donks.
I have a pet unicorn.

Anyway, congrats on cashing out and quitting a game you clearly can't win.
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03-07-2013 , 03:50 PM
whenever i have more than 1 session of 'run bad', at the onset of a new session i simply type in the chatbox: "dear merge, please turn the doomswitch off" and i usually have a great session. you just have to be forthcoming with them and they will oblige.

footnote: make certain you use proper spelling, terminology & punctuation or they will just f#*k you even more. they are funny that way.

Last edited by donk mcReetard; 03-07-2013 at 04:00 PM.
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03-07-2013 , 03:50 PM
Any one who plays NL20 vs with good table selection knows not to play on Sunday .
You guys are mad stupid if think the sites are legit.
I can show you on the course of one year playing solid 22/20 with 8% 3 bet I had not won one sesion on the last SUNDAY of the month. Not one ? Fishes are big variance, ok but this happens always in the end of the month always on Sunday.
If 6-9 table 50h. a week for 1 year, you know that this last Sunday of every month something is not right. It is not possible to lose 5-6 buy-ins in few hours. Not when you normal win rate is 10-11bb /100 .

Keep in mind that after 5 years our poker theory can be a joke for 6 years old.
NO limit holdem is far form figured out, all you winning players should be humble.
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03-07-2013 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ferdinand
Today is a sad day.

Today is the day that I withdrawn all my online roll for never play online poker in my life again.

Pokertars is confirmed to be rigged exactly the way I said it is.

Every online poker company is rigging their software to cater to the casual players and shamelessly get rid of the regulars.

If you dont believe this, I have a 20k hand stretch where I lost 100% of hands that I went all in in front of >30% VPIP guys. I have a total of 35 hands I went all in against flush draws agains >30% VPIP guys who called and I lost every single one of them. Thats 35 bad beats IN A ROW against donks.

This is not even close to a random deal ...
Congratulations, very smart decision.
I made the same decision 2-3 months ago.
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03-07-2013 , 04:09 PM
Some of us can reduce and increase variance when they need to. Cash games vs fishes are hard core action. If you want to win learn to read the board, the fish and the flow.
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03-07-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
I wonder if you are right about the first two sentences. But the thing is, I do fold them most of the time. It still doesn't help..

Here's how it usually goes.

I hold QQ. 3 bet. Get a nice flop J high. I double barrel 3/4 of the pot. River is ace. I check and mother****er is all in and I fold. If he had pair of J's with no two pairs I think a reg would just check it back. I'm still not sure whether it was the right play, but I tried to learn from my extreme unluck and save myself from yet another bad beat. So this is how the site continously robs me of my money.

Next time I have QQ. A mf who always 3 bet 3 bets me. Flop is low card and he c bets. I shove and he shows AA.

Then I have AA. I call a triple barrel and lose to set.

Then I have AA again. Everyone like insta folds as if they all got dealt 72 or 93 etc.

Then I have KK, flop comes A, and opponent shows enough aggression to have the pair of A's.

Then next time I have AA. flop is K high. I'm out of position so i check and everyone checks. Turn is J. Short stack starts to bet. I call. Then bets river I call and he shows triple jacks.

Then next time I have AA, i bet, ****** floats. Then bet, ****** folds. That's a short story of my entire AA and KK history the last couple of days.

My set history is quite similar by the way, just worse lol.

As for TP TK, the site is setup to suck as much money from me as it can.

Obviously I should play poker again since I'm a winning player. I just have take a break such that the rig stops, or even turns in my favour.
You sound like Joey from Friends explaing how he lost at "Cups"

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Originally Posted by ferdinand

If you dont believe this, I have a 20k hand stretch where I lost 100% of hands that I went all in in front of >30% VPIP guys. I have a total of 35 hands I went all in against flush draws agains >30% VPIP guys who called and I lost every single one of them. Thats 35 bad beats IN A ROW against donks.

This is not even close to a random deal ...
Sure. Nobody has any reason to disbelieve any of that.

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Originally Posted by red_Eyes_Bot
I bet you are atheist , they tent to have less brain power then other people.
Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any funnier...
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03-07-2013 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by red_Eyes_Bot
come on if you still did not know that the government did crash does planes into the world trade center.
You must have two digit IQ. I guess poker is not a game of IQ... you would suck at poker if your neo-positive generalizations are behind your self inserted logic and one-dimensional attitude . I bet you are atheist , they tent to have less brain power then other people.
I hope the riggies in this thread take note of this guy to better see what professional paranoia is about. This guy helps give perspective to how relaxing riggies and their new player boomswitches are in terms of crazy.

Riggies still believe that a US regulated site will not have people thinking it is rigged?


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Originally Posted by ferdinand
Today is a sad day.

Today is the day that I withdrawn all my online roll for never play online poker in my life again.

Pokertars is confirmed to be rigged exactly the way I said it is.
This guy is actually an actual grinder, but still it is the correct choice based on his beliefs.


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Originally Posted by gzer
Congratulations, very smart decision.
I made the same decision 2-3 months ago.

Totally the right choice for a player of your abilities to make.


Look at these other riggies still playing online and complaining, with one saying he plans to become a pro in Costa Rica. They do not listen to me when I tell them over and over that they do not have what it takes and should quit all forms of online poker.

You guys should tell them riggie to riggie how good my advice is that they cash out and quit. Perhaps they will listen to you, since you did exactly as I keep telling them to do.


All the best.
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03-07-2013 , 04:42 PM
i'm thinkin' of moving to rico suave to become a pro...
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03-07-2013 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Totally the right choice for a player of your abilities to make.

Look at these other riggies still playing online and complaining, with one saying he plans to become a pro in Costa Rica. They do not listen to me when I tell them over and over that they do not have what it takes and should quit all forms of online poker.

You guys should tell them riggie to riggie how good my advice is that they cash out and quit. Perhaps they will listen to you, since you did exactly as I keep telling them to do.
Yes of course, the best advice ever.
Though I would add one small thing, they don't need to quit all forms of online poker, they can still play freerolls or play money games for fun / kill time.
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03-07-2013 , 05:09 PM
Shills, affiliates and employees. You spent a few days doing your usually dances regarding Pokersites abilities to manipulate the speed of the dealings. Now obvious to myself and others they can and do effect the dealings river card on some dealings for added dramatic effect. This has eben admitted by sites such as Pokerstars yet you guys did your usual dance around it. What you never recognized is during the billionth hand promotions once again during those specific hands the dealings on the flop, turn and river card were dramatically slowed. Now I know you all do a great job of playing stupid in relation to any and all of riggies claims or opinions but you give yourselves away when you play stoopid regarding something so obvious
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03-07-2013 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ScamCity
Shills, affiliates and employees. You spent a few days doing your usually dances regarding Pokersites abilities to manipulate the speed of the dealings. Now obvious to myself and others they can and do effect the dealings river card on some dealings for added dramatic effect. This has eben admitted by sites such as Pokerstars yet you guys did your usual dance around it. What you never recognized is during the billionth hand promotions once again during those specific hands the dealings on the flop, turn and river card were dramatically slowed. Now I know you all do a great job of playing stupid in relation to any and all of riggies claims or opinions but you give yourselves away when you play stoopid regarding something so obvious
Boring, amateur riggie paranoia.



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Originally Posted by red_Eyes_Bot
come on if you still did not know that the government did crash does planes into the world trade center.
You must have two digit IQ. I guess poker is not a game of IQ... you would suck at poker if your neo-positive generalizations are behind your self inserted logic and one-dimensional attitude . I bet you are atheist , they tent to have less brain power then other people.
Better quality paranoia.



http://www.911truth.org/


Hard core professional paranoia.



One thing riggies in this thread have in common is that they have zero idea how they rate with the rest of the world at things - whether it be poker ability or even the ability to be paranoid.

You guys really think you are better at things than you are, so for online poker you should all cash out and quit. That other riggie followed my advice and said it was best advice ever, which it is.


All the best.
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03-07-2013 , 05:17 PM
[QUOTE=Monteroy;37502543]I hope the riggies in this thread take note of this guy to better see what professional paranoia is about. This guy helps give perspective to how relaxing riggies and their new player boomswitches are in terms of crazy.

Riggies still believe that a US regulated site will not have people thinking it is rigged?




This guy is actually an actual grinder, but still it is the correct choice based on his beliefs.





/QUOTE]

you more mad then moi.bro
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03-07-2013 , 05:20 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-wild-1306212/

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Originally Posted by red_Eyes_Bot
So now I am here,I have 1500$ in my pocket. No job and source of income.
I have one laptop, empty fridge and free time... to post on forums.
It is time for poker !

At least you are not going to Costa Rica to fail on your adventure. Your thread is fun, especially how you are the only one talking to yourself. I imagine having others talk to you here must be very exciting for you.

Be sure to keep us updated...


All the best.
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