Again, this is what I mean. You don't know anything or at least much about me, we are just random people on the internet yet you surmise that from some light hearted comparison (hence the "lol", "ciggie" and "cigtard" references), not some attempt at a well written beyond reproach analogy, on a message board? I don't take this discussion that serious because every person is going to do whatever they believe is best and I am not out to prove anything.

I think some people take this discussion and themselves way too seriously ITT.

		Blatantlyrigged
		Bingo!
shill	scam	promoters	defenders	affiliates
employee	twist	common sense	judgement	dreamers
obvious	blatant	coaches	rebuy	manipulated
OLP	+1	life depended on it	ignorant	naive
deflect	truth	financial ties	rigged	24/7

Well played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try and get a full board in one post before you get banned again

Think whatever you want. Whether 'lighthearted' or extremely serious, your analogy was terrible and offered no insight to anyone. End of story.

I don't know what's the motive behind it, maybe just because they are allowed to do it or they just enjoy it but it's odd the way some seem so determine to ridicule and marginalize the POV of others about such a trivial matter. The notion that "riggies" have to be stopped or marginalized before they "poison" the minds of others would seem to fly in the face of non-riggies constant claim that sensible people wouldn't believe such nonsense as rigging anyway. What's worse is this is allowed to continue because Mods state that it's ok, due to the fact that "riggies" won't listen to reason and agree with non-riggies or stop posting. If I thought some poster was as crazy as some around here try to make "riggies" out to be, I wouldn't reply to them at all, no need for self described wise men to bother arguing with perceived fools.

Nobody will lose any sleep over any of this because it's just random people on the internet but it's weird to me the way some seem to take this discussion/debate and themselves within it, so seriously.

Oops, too late!

LOL.

You have had an account here for years and this is the first time you have ever seen this dynamic on an internet message board?

Go to the religion forum or read a 9/11 thread. The stuff in here is very tame. Even the bitcoin threads are weirder.

You guys really see patterns in the mundane. This thread is conspiracy light - that's all, and the human behavior on both sides is very standard, and relatively gentle for a thread like this.

With that said I still encourage you guys to think of a deeper shill conspiracy, and my post here is probably just an attempt to distract you from uncovering the deep, dark, secret truth.

All the best.

Seems like you are the one taking it too seriously, especially given who and what you're responding to.

troll-land.. where trolls come to nest.

SO....Have we come to a conclusion yet?
Rigged or not?

My conclusion is that maybe there are more intelligent people that could figure out a way to rig the games, but personally I can't imagine how it could be done.
My personal stats are conflicting to my arguments, so I eat humble pie there and say there is no evidence of rigging in my hh.

I always said I am not sure, and even said there is a much more compelling argument against it being rigged..

The people here should realise that we ALL LOVE poker, and we are desperate to have fair games with AS MUCH EVIDENCE AS POSSIBLE.

Well said

Fair enough.

It seems like you have come around to the non-riggie side.

Its important to note, despite what the riggies say, that no-one around here says it definitely is not rigged or that it could not be rigged.

What is said is that no-one has seen evidence to show that a rig is actually happening, and that any rigging scheme that would be apparent to a player would be obvious from analysis of the stats.

I agree with you completely on this point but why do you bother to argue with shills who are just trying to bump your posts.

And your ciggie example was not off topic at all- it was bang on! We all know that the research that eventually proved cigarettes unhealthy started with circumstancial evidence that scientists were eventually able to prove. I have every confidence that the online poker rig will also be proven but I know that the shills here are constantly trying to misdirect us rigges and, as you say, react suspiciously to us unreasonable rigtards.

Well stated. Only caveat I would add is that along with the intelligent people who could figure out a way to rig online poker, there are also very intelligent people who would likely soon figure out that it was being done and how.

You might find the thread where the UB superuser scandal is first brought up as a possibility, debated, and then proven an interesting one to read if you haven't already. Very intelligent people with different viewpoints hash it out until a conclusion is reached.

What you're probably not aware of is that if you read this thread from the beginning, you will see, mixed in amongst the insults, a LOT of analysis and discussion by those knowledgeable in statistics. So of these guys even went and did detailed analyses of individual riggies' handhistory databases. No matter what they wrote, and how they backed it up, the riggies either ignored it or dismissed it out of hand. After awhile, most of these guys grew fed up and left the thread.

You might be interested in going back to the beginning and skimming to look for those posts. They are pretty easy to spot so it won't be as daunting a task as it would at first appear.

"Bumping" in online terminology isn't trying to cover up posts, you clueless dildo. It's the act of replying and moving a thread to the top of the forum it's in, in other words the opposite of what you seem to think.

Moron.

You must get all the girls

To 3oz, br etc.
Heres an example of how its not rigged. There is a fellow aussie called matthew wakeman. He top 5ed the super tuesday two weeks in a row. He is just a normal person. He used to have a podcast on quadjacks called konvict korner. Yes aussie. The only difference is he got better, made friends in the industry and ultimately kicks ass. One of the best. Its hard work, but if you focus your time and energy on it its inevitible you will improve.. i just dont think you guys are ready to dive in. You wont win otherwise.. guaranteed. I have been told advice from a 888 main event runner up( who i know in person) you just wont win fullstop.you need a professional approach. Its not farkin rigged.have fun.

Bump

While he may have been insulting, he's 100% correct, and I don't know how his way (or lack thereof) with girls changes that. Do you understand what a bump is and how people read threads?

Would be a helpful thread to have all of the online post short hand and abbrev. used so people know whats being said and fully understand.Like a 2+2 glossary

2+2 glossary if u google it. I had to and still do at times. I not so computer savvy. Not all on there but may help.
Oh and imo online poker def not rigged just totally fcked. Lol

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Scroll down to the bottom of any page, and one of the links you'll find to the left is "Abbreviations", which will take you here:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/acronyms.php

There was one poster who I did an analysis for who accepted the results and admitted that his theory was wrong. (I've no idea how to find the posts, I'm afraid.)

Of course, he wasn't a typical riggie in that he had a specific and well defined theory and was perfectly happy to supply his hand histories for analysis.