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11-22-2011 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Here come the shills. Someone threw some bread on the ground. I hear flapping wings and the cry of some dirty birds.
If you don't want a response to your post - don't make a post!

Oh, and learn how to multiquote!
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11-22-2011 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
If you don't want a response to your post - don't make a post!
Excellent advice right there. You know OLP is manipulated, I know it, and many, many others have come to realize it also. Why give all these site shills/promoters/affiliates ammo by posting examples or reasons why.
Ive come to find that doing that just gives these guys the opportunity to respond easier with their lies and B.S., which throws off the newer player starting to understand OLP is rigged also, but not quite sure yet.
If you want to have a discussion about the subject, this is not the right forum.
There are other forums with a majority of real players instead of shills,etc.
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11-22-2011 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Excellent advice right there. You know OLP is manipulated, I know it, and many, many others have come to realize it also. Why give all these site shills/promoters/affiliates ammo by posting examples or reasons why.
Ive come to find that doing that just gives these guys the opportunity to respond easier with their lies and B.S., which throws off the newer player starting to understand OLP is rigged also, but not quite sure yet.
If you want to have a discussion about the subject, this is not the right forum.
There are other forums with a majority of real players instead of shills,etc.
Can you back any of this up with evidence?
Where is your evidence that online poker is rigged?
Who exactly are shills, and which sites are they shilling for?
What exactly are they lying about, and what proof do you have that they are lying?
By "right forum to discuss the subject", do you mean a forum where everyone already agrees with you despite the lack of any sort of evidence to back it up?
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11-22-2011 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
"Says the confirmed child molester".
Some of you guys are all concerned about his counter-attack but think about it:

His use of the word "confirmed" is just like his use of the word "obvious" in his postings. He has no ability to confirm anything, just as he as no ability to see what is obvious.

He is simply trying to counter my psycho-analysis of him which has hit too close to home for him to simply ignore. He is now projecting his conduct onto that of his adversary....
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11-22-2011 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
well than thats great this whole thread is one big liability. It's not hard to so go and look at sharkscope and draw your own conclusions
Ah, so you don't have proof that Minieri was boomswitched. You just have an opinion. Perhaps you'd care to look at his live tournament results in the Hendon Mob database?
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=53606
When Minieri won a WSOP bracelet and $528,418 in Las Vegas in 2008, he must have been boomswitched for the 3 days the donkament lasted.
Yeah, because being boomswitched in a live tournament with several thousand entrants is the sort of thing Pokerstars can/will do for its Team pros. This same boomswitch helped Minieri to take his career live tournament winnings to $1.8 million, did it?

Why do you keep making unfounded and defamatory statements? You have zero credibility.
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11-22-2011 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
Erm.....No....please enlighten us all.

Poor Ray you try so hard to impress people with your "Intelligent" posts. So needy of attention that you feel the need to reply to any posts from riggies/shills/random posters just so you can feel that you have had some contact with the world in your sad lonely life.


Go outside....smell a rose....hug a tree....Kick a dog.....Just try it Ray your pasty white mom's basement pallor skin will thank you for it.
somebody call the SPCA...Im hurt!
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11-22-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Also Wiki: Cyber Defamation is a crime conducted in cyberspace...
I guess you don't live in the UK
Actually I do. I don't necessarily agree with the laws governing freedom of speech vs freedom to prosecute online defamers (injunctions taken out by celebrities against twitter were pretty pathetic) but a line needs to be drawn between idle banter/opinions and claims that could be personally/financially damaging.
No one should have the right to print (online) "Site X is cheating" or "Person X is a child molestor" without risking being taken to court.
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11-22-2011 , 08:13 PM
I thought it was a given all posts by riggies in this thread are opinions not facts. We are conspiracy theorists. I look at players. I look at graphs. I draw conclusions.This is the x-files thread of conventional wisdom.This thread is the santa claus parade of reality television.Whats next?. Are you going to start a petition for the vanquishment of Christmas because santa claus is fiction.I would.
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11-22-2011 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Are you going to start a petition for the vanquishment of Christmas because santa claus is fiction.I would.
Are you going to continue to post claims that are akin to saying "Santa Claus is real. It's obvious. Everyone that disagrees is a shill"?

Every time you make a claim, you are going to be asked to substantiate that claim. That's what makes this a debate. Well, it would be a debate if you actually bothered to post the evidence, instead of avoiding the difficult questions.
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11-22-2011 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Actually I do. I don't necessarily agree with the laws governing freedom of speech vs freedom to prosecute online defamers (injunctions taken out by celebrities against twitter were pretty pathetic) but a line needs to be drawn between idle banter/opinions and claims that could be personally/financially damaging.
No one should have the right to print (online) "Site X is cheating" or "Person X is a child molestor" without risking being taken to court.
And protecting your employer, Poker Stars, financial stability and reputation is your #1 priority, correct?
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11-22-2011 , 10:12 PM
How many other forums and threads do all you site promoters engage in "discussions"?
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11-22-2011 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Are you going to continue to post claims that are akin to saying "Santa Claus is real. It's obvious. Everyone that disagrees is a shill"?

Every time you make a claim, you are going to be asked to substantiate that claim. That's what makes this a debate. Well, it would be a debate if you actually bothered to post the evidence, instead of avoiding the difficult questions.
no not everyone who disagrees. Shills like you, theres about 5 or 6 of you, that just spend day and night taking turns on the clock around the clock ( pending weekends or scheduled days off, paid vacation days ect) trying to dismiss and deflect any and all posts in a * conspiracy thread*. Because you just love the integrity of online poker ( or the perception of its existence) that much.
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11-22-2011 , 10:22 PM
I mean I can say my penis is 10 feet long. Now we can have it verified by your wife because she's seen it. We can ask ex gf's of mine. But how would you really know. Where is the evidence in your eyes?

"If someone yells in a forest and nobody is around to hear it was a sound ever really made?"..... "Online poker shill 2011"......
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11-22-2011 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
no not everyone who disagrees. Shills like you, theres about 5 or 6 of you, that just spend day and night taking turns on the clock around the clock ( pending weekends or scheduled days off, paid vacation days ect) trying to dismiss and deflect any and all posts in a * conspiracy thread*. Because you just love the integrity of online poker ( or the perception of its existence) that much.
Thumbs up!
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11-22-2011 , 10:27 PM
I love playing xbox call of duty. Do I spend hours a day making thousands of posts defending to the core people who suggest the * game * has a gliche in it thats giving an unfair advantage to some over others. UMMMMMM ya, NO! Pay me 14$ an hour and sure 1500 - 5600 posts later.
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11-22-2011 , 10:31 PM
If I open a door and close it and there is no viable way to record it happening did it really ever open? What if there was only a way to track half the door. Not the FULL door. I guess only half the door opened than because thats what was tracked and thats what I was told. I guess I should accept, especially in todays world of mass corruption, what I am told and take it at face value. Of course anyone who strongly disagrees must feel the whole world is corrupt and full of conspiracy. Nah, just online poker
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11-22-2011 , 10:33 PM
I sure hope I quoted this correctly. I sure don't want to get yelled at by a shill or a * thread expert* I may have to take a course and edumacate myself on how to rig debate correctly. Shillarious
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11-22-2011 , 10:34 PM
wow this post makes 117. Only 5000 more to deem myself a non employee and casual fan of the game!
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11-22-2011 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
no not everyone who disagrees. Shills like you, theres about 5 or 6 of you, that just spend day and night taking turns on the clock around the clock ( pending weekends or scheduled days off, paid vacation days ect) trying to dismiss and deflect any and all posts in a * conspiracy thread*. Because you just love the integrity of online poker ( or the perception of its existence) that much.
Please enlighten us with your great (non existing) knowledge about shills, this may as well get entertaining for all that follow this thread because we need something to laugh from time to time. And well done on your x posts in 20 minutes in the same thread without anyone else in between, you da man.
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11-22-2011 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
I love playing xbox call of duty. Do I spend hours a day making thousands of posts defending to the core people who suggest the * game * has a gliche in it thats giving an unfair advantage to some over others. UMMMMMM ya, NO! Pay me 14$ an hour and sure 1500 - 5600 posts later.
No, but you spend hours a day making posts complaining that you can't beat poker because the game is rigged without providing a shred of evidence to support your claims.
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11-22-2011 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
If I open a door and close it and there is no viable way to record it happening did it really ever open?
Yes? No? Who cares? And there is a way to record it. And one could test if the door is functional.

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What if there was only a way to track half the door. Not the FULL door.
I don't even know what the hell this even means. Stop using bad analogies.

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I guess only half the door opened than because thats what was tracked and thats what I was told. I guess I should accept, especially in todays world of mass corruption, what I am told and take it at face value. Of course anyone who strongly disagrees must feel the whole world is corrupt and full of conspiracy. Nah, just online poker
Because it's been explained numerous times that you can't rig part of the deck and not the rest of the deck. If someone gets AA far more than they should over a long period of time, someone else will have far less. If someone flops flush draws more often than they should, someone else is flopping less flush draws. All of this would show in the hand histories.

Just because you imagine something, doesn't mean it exists in reality.
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11-22-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SCS
No, but you spend hours a day making posts complaining that you can't beat poker because the game is rigged without providing a shred of evidence to support your claims.

Riggies spending times on posts instead of playing is nearly always a +EV choice, so really hard to fault that decision. Riggies should cash out and uninstall all forms of online poker software as soon as they can.

Anyway, today's chat about the rooms being rigged against ugly people and riggies proclaiming the length of their junk (did other riggies blindly support those claims) certainly shows progress is being made in this debate.

More shills should spend time replying to that jello guy because he is clearly not a fake gimmick riggie.
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11-22-2011 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Are you going to start a petition for the vanquishment of Christmas because santa claus is fiction.I would.
ummmm, helloooooo? Spoilers please!


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Originally Posted by hellojello
Because you just love the integrity of online poker ( or the perception of its existence) that much.
I frankly don't care much about promoting the integrity of online poker. That's not what this thread is about. It's about critical thinking.


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Originally Posted by hellojello
I love playing xbox call of duty. Do I spend hours a day making thousands of posts defending to the core people who suggest the * game * has a gliche in it thats giving an unfair advantage to some over others. UMMMMMM ya, NO! me 14$ an hour and sure 1500 - 5600 posts later.
Many do. Forums on just about any topic fill the net. People like posting on forums! Is it your experience that internet forum posters have a high threshold for topics they debate to death?

Oh, and you picked the wrong game. Skyrim FTW!


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Originally Posted by hellojello
I sure hope I quoted this correctly. I sure don't want to get yelled at by a shill or a * thread expert* I may have to take a course and edumacate myself on how to rig debate correctly. Shillarious
No, you didn't. See how you multi-quote? It's the button with the green circle beside the quote button. Click on each post you want to include and then press reply and all the posts will be there. There's a limit though, think its around 5 or so.

You're welcome...
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11-23-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Seriously? You think its suspicious that the faces of the poker sites are attractive? This is fishy to you? do you not think its possible to be attractive and a good player?
Well, one in particular springs to mind and she is fkn brutal at the game! That doesn't stop her doing well on randomstars though.
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11-23-2011 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
No, but you spend hours a day making posts complaining that you can't beat poker because the game is rigged without providing a shred of evidence to support your claims.
Hours a day? Well I guess you are able to log on to a computer and type yourself so your not fully ******ed. Thats good
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