Riggie claims have been rejected because they are fundamentally nonsensical. Those that don't fall in this category are normally met with a request for some kind of evidence of the claim (not comprehensive proof of rigging, just confirmation that it isn't bias, lies or a mistake).

What reponse would you like to see instead? Your post above gives the impression that 'shills' are stating that there is 0% chance of any rigging and illogically attacking any posts to the contrary when this clearly isn't the case.

Nobody is 'rejecting stats that might suggest' rigging, they are asking for stats that might suggest rigging.

Sadly enough, this might be true. The U.S. govt. is a shady bunch themselves. I will give it a try though just in case. Who knows, they might implement a RNG without extra software to manipulate the deal.
If it becomes obvious that this is not the case, and the same events start happening like now, (money moved from older players with profit to newer players to create as many rebuys as possible, etc), time to give it up for good.

It all about moving older players profit to newer players to create as many rebuys as possible. Fairly simple. Very obvious. ( see post above).

WRONG. Standard ignorance.

Thank you!

If you think youre going to get monteroy, wiki, ocatop or any of these other goons to concede with these well written articles, it wont happen.
But dont stop! This is what real players on here (which is very few) need to read. The truth should prevail sooner or later.

This is based on...?

You weirdos bitch and moan about needing everyone's hands and the entire deck to do any stats, but somehow you know when people's accounts were created?

Monteroy,
What is your site? I would like to take a look.

Monteroy, you are confusing all in EV with SECT. SECT is a third party program for HEM that tells you your expected winnings for all your showdown hands in which the opponent hole cards are known. It also measures actual showdown winnings which HEM does. I have posted my results in previous posts.

In 2008, I won about $1.03 in actual showdown winnings for every expected showdown $1.00; maybe somewhat lucky. But in 2009, it dropped to .93 for every expected $1.00 in winnings and never exceeded .95 until Black Friday when I stopped keeping records due to the fact that I am a US citizen and basically stopped playing after Black Friday. The responses to my previous posts were that it was all due to better opponents. But were the opponents that much better in 2009 than 2008?

I have posted other stats with similar responses. The most recent post you can find today on TPTK results which I ran from my HEM to test TPTK27's comment about TPTK versus TPWK. My experience is that from 2008 to 2011, my winnings decreased on every type of decent flopped hand. I don't know why for sure; it could have been better opponents. But it could have been some sort of post-flop odds adjustment by the sites where I played; mostly Cereus and PS.

I do know that my feeling (and review of hand histories) tells me that the bad beats that I experienced, even 2-5 outs after the flop, substantially increased in 2009 and later years. So did the ones in my favor, but fold more hands in which I feel that I am such a dog than many of my opponents. In fact, most of the time that I won due to a 2-5 bad beat luck out was due to my opponent slow playing his better hand on the flop. But I rarely slow play so most of my similar bad beats were in hands in which my opponent would call a bet larger than half the flop and then out draw me.

Before Black Friday, I was about the employ the services of a coach to review my hand histories to see what he thought and to see if I had any major leaks; not just not stealing enough but calling down too much etc.
Then Black Friday hit and the whole affair became pointless.

The only logical reason to fold your hand is that the big stack is all-in before you enter the pot and you are at the bubble with your last 200. Sounds more important to you to not make the call and limp into the money.... the beat sucks.

What do you call ignoring facts and calling someone a racist while refusing to provide proof?

Oh yea, do you have any? Still refusing to provide a shred of proof to back up your claim. Oh yea you forgot to answer if you will be bailing on the Mohawks once you don't need them anymore and play US sites? Something to be said about loyality you know.

Blogs? Doesn't surprise me that you feel someone just writing something should qualify as proof. It doesn't. Real simple, supply some. No I haven't played in a world series of poker event. I don't lie like some people.

LOL, no I don't run an underground card room or escort service. I just don't believe in wasting a lot of police resources on victimless crimes.

?? Why do you keep diverting when someone explode your myths? Never was a fan of hers but have to give her credit. She had the brains to walk out when some insane anti-sematic communist started talking crazy. How come Obama didn't?


I know what a degen is. One who likes to start prop betting on any little thing sure gives it away. Maybe you can step up like Mike the Mouth and end up owing 5k a month for the rest of your life?

Could you post the filters you used if it was just stock HEM filters? I'd like to use the same ones if possible. I don't get why, if you don't trust online sites anyway, you'd play on Cereus.

If you posted them in this thread you have to know they get lost in all the noise and clutter.

Create a thread in the stats forum or in the Holdem Manager forums on this topic and you will actually get genuine helpful advice that will point out any errors you might have done in interpreting the data.

I am confused why you are not doing that, and instead debating in this silly thread. I am pretty sure you are not the type of guy that needs emotional support from blatantdude, and simply posting here puts you in the same category as guys like him by default. You really want that?

Start a separate thread in a different forum and link it here.


Regarding all of the opther items you posted, th emain issue I have with your theory are the following:

- I do not see how the site makes any money from it

- I do not see how the sites keep this all a secret, even the ones that shut down

- I think a rig like yours that is based on such a complex mixture of human play decisions is by definition a completely impractical one for a huge number of players if a site is going to do a rig. A rig does have to be relatively simple (ie: super user) otherwise it only really works if the riggie is the center of the poker universe.


If you want to have a serious discussion on this then let us know where you start the new thread. If you want guys like blatant to quote you and say that every thing you say is completely true (regardless of what you say) then stick here or do that once in a while for amusement. I hope you will choose the former, but I understand the entertainment value of the latter as well.

Anyone can look up your charming posting history to see exactly what you are. You can live in denial all you like on the topic and feel free to talk about the "Mohawks" all day long while telling yourself that you are not a racist. That is in the rare times you are not watching TV or flipping burgers or destroying your meager possessions.



You have never played in the WSOP and I have played in the WSOP. I hope that answers your original question earlier today about why you never saw me at the WSOP!

If you want to believe I have not played at the WSOP by this point that is totally fine with me and quite comical as well given the full conversation and all the available information on that topic.

I have news for you - playing in a WSOP event is not that big a deal. Ask your boss for a 25 cents an hour raise the next time you see him.



Certainly no victims in the prostitution rings or the drug trade. Good analysis.



As I said before it is fun tossing random comments at zealots and angry nutjobs to see how they reply. Even when I mention this you have replied to probably a half dozen throw away comments with seriousness. More comedy.

What are your thoughts on Jesse Jackson?




Every prop bet I offer I have a 100% chance to win. Other than the ones I have offered in this thread in my quest to sucker in at least one riggie/douche, I have yet to make a prop bet outside it ever in real life.

I hate prop bets (other than the 100/0 bets I offer here for entertainment) and gambling bores the hell out of me, and I refuse every prop bet for the sake of betting when offered to me (very few bother to offer them anymore).

This is where you can reverse polarity and call me a mega nit again that waits for AA if you are not too distracted by whatever TV show you are watching.


He tends to not be as picky about 100/0 spots as I am. He is a degen.

You are a total poker fanboy nerd which is also very comical. You have probably watched every poker TV show ever made. How many autographs do you have by now?

What do you think of the Isle of Man in general?



All the best.


P.S. Thanks for the breath of fresh air in this thread, it actually made it fun to post here again for a while. Hopefully you will visit some more to liven up the current riggie duds.

Including you. You are responsible for providing the source of your slander. Now either provide it or shut up.

Don't need to be there. Every event available online. Didn't see your name. Provide it.

Legalize and tax it. Those victims are a result of the black market. Wonder why none of the escorts in Nevada are victims of prostitution rings?

I know for yourself who probably doesn't pay taxes on winnings you have a high opinion of them but I feel any gaming whether online or live should be regulated and taxed and not hidden offshore where you can do whatever you want. Things usually happen like Russ Hamilton ripping off his fellow poker players and then retiring to Bali Hai.

The Isle of man did the same as the Mohawk reservation. Sold out to make a killing moneywise to facilitate criminal activity and to further help people like you evade taxes and hide income. That is all they are.

Wait...what? Suddenly you want evidence? Things just took a suuuuuuuuuuuuper creepy turn here. Are you really saying there's no illegal prostitution in Nevada? Really? Two quick things:
Why do you always assume "shills" don't pay taxes?
You do know Monteroy isn't American, right?

More fun if people look over your body of work to really appreciate it better. As I said, they need only search you and read away and enjoy.



The tax evasion implication said to the guy who is the most anal that exists about documenting every penny and recording and keeping beyond detailed records of everything.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the business is run in a completely professional way, and my taxes are properly prepared by my accountant every year with every source of revenue documented and every related expense broken down.

You managed to be completely wrong yet again. Well done.


The Russ Hamilton reference made me chuckle. Can you go a single post without being such a silly poker fanboy and dropping poker celeb names everywhere?

Why don't you go watch some more TV, maybe a poker show is on.



What do you think about the French, Italians and Spanish that are regulating their own industries?

Translation = I can't prove my cyber slander so I will continue the MSNBC smoke and mirror charade. Remember just keep throwing out the fearmonger buzzword "racist"

I don't have to. I admitted I didn't play in the WSOP. You say you did.

You have to keep records with your business because you are operating in an atmosphere that can track it down. Your winnings on offshore sites is different. You are telling me you reported that? I seriously doubt it.

What a surprise a tax dodger takes a sympathetic view on a person who used the offshore system to conspire and and steal from his peers all the time knowing none of them could do a single thing about it.

No wonder you are so loyal to the KGC. That is of course till you start playing US sites. Or you may not since then there will be a paper trail of the taxes you refuse to pay when you win. So I assume you will use your Canadian residency to play offshore. May be a bit lonely though.

Again with grasping at straws? I already answered this. I am for the legalization, regulation and taxation of all gaming whether live or online.

Plenty but none of the girls are kidnapped teenagers from Indonesia.

Jeez is this even about rigging any more? Or do you two just hate each other for some reason? Either way... popcorn.gif

Evidence or GTFO.
Come on. Prove it. Show that older players make less money than newer players.
It's OBVIOUS that the exact opposite is the case.

You seriously think that a site could rig a game against players that bet with TPTK? If they did, everyone would suffer the same effect - TPTK would be a losing hand for everyone.
As it happens, TPTK is a roughly a break-even showdown hand for me. On the nitfest that is PokerStars, it loses money. On 888 it profits.
Are you suggesting that information like this is evidence of one or other site being rigged?

Don't worry, these back and forths generally last for a day or so before he runs away for a few months to participate in the threads about poker celebrities . He hates everything and everyone (just look at his posting history), and I enjoy messing with the heads of people like that, because that is exactly what they deserve.

By tomorrow it will be back to normal with riggies posting mangled walls of texts and blatantdude quoting them and giving full support for their clear message, and shills making fun of blatantdude. That will certainly be fun.



Anyway, to conclude today's festivities...



You seem at home with it.



Yup, I did play in the WSOP.



I keep track of net winning and losing every day, and I have those records for the past 8 years, both for poker and for every online casino bonus I ever completed.

You want to know exactly to the penny how much I made completing a promotion on Aztec Poker on PSO over half a decade ago I can tell you that broken down on a day by day basis.

I report every single penny as every single transaction to and from the sites are documented and reported.

I appreciate your need to find any personal attack that can work because I have been considerably more successful in this industry than you will ever be, but this one you are so off the mark that it is actually pathetic.

Do you pay taxes if you happen to win in any given year?



So this tax dodger bit is tour next routine (Directed at a guy with detailed daily reports for 8 years in this industry) after the failed nitty AA player then insane degen routes? Sure, why not, you seem to like being as wrong as possible.

Case in point, how you interpreted my Russ Hamilton comment. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the English language knows I did not "support" him, rather I found it amusing that every single post of yours has to include some outdated poker celebrity in it.



Feel free to find my post where I was loyal to them. I do like asking you your opinions about them because that opens up your racist side for the world to see, but that has nothing to do with supporting the organization.

You know this and anyone can read it in our conversation.


No idea what you are even talking about. If I can play there, and I do play there I will keep my standard anal daily log of the results there. Same with all of the players we back there. Every penny will be reported as always, and every expense will be documented as always.

You do the same on your play, right?


I do appreciate you are desperate to find some angle of personal attack that can work after being my bitch for years, but the tax evasion thing is actually the absolutely worst one you can pick given my history of being insanely detailed about everything in every business I have owned.

No shock, you tend to always be wrong.

For what it is worth, I do hope you get your $25 bankroll back on Tilt, because that will mean that people I know who are real players will get theirs as well.

All the best.

lol....wp

Evidence or GTFO.
Sites use a variety of software and random number generators. The sites are competing against each other, not colluding together.
You've really got to stop posting complete fabrications. When you lie so often, no one will believe anything you say.

Since you dont have a clue, ill explain. The same software is used in ADDITION to the RNG to manipulate the deal. All the sites use the same software. Thats why the results are the same for every site.
Being so ignorant really doesnt make you look very bright.