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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,503 34.89%
No
5,607 55.85%
Undecided
930 9.26%

09-04-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
THIS
That
The other
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09-04-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by solucky
A RNG is an RNG.

Created games like bad beats and actionflops are the theory that a fixed software generate games and MORE rake that looks random.

At sample you flop 2 pair, a set or big nutdraws exactly as much as you
expect but there are more games than expected where both get a great
hand.

I made no analysis but usually you should be able to check it with old
pokertracker databases. The average rake / game should be much lower today than in 2004,2005 but i dont know if it really is.

2004/2005 usually 30-40% saw the flop, in todays games its more 15-20%.
Are the pots and the rake 50% smaller today ?
I dont know it, but i have many reasons to stop playing for profit 2007 .

Poker was overall a +ev game untill 2007 ( free money from promotions ).
Its overall a -ev game today.

Many is possible in Onlinepoker and Livepoker...including playing the complete WSOP with a guaranty win but this works only if you are a verry well known professional that know plenty players...if they do it who knows.
I've made no analysis, I don't know, I don't know ...... but here are some meaningless percentages I have just made up.

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Originally Posted by otatop
I'm too high to tell if this is a level but it feels pretty obvious.
Yeah, you'd think so wouldn't you. Doesn't stop BR though. He'll just quote anything, however stupid, just so he doesn't have to actually write something himself:

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
THIS
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09-04-2011 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Apart, of course, from all those Americans who are flocking to Canada and other climes to play.
My god, you site promoters really go to extremes with your made up crap.
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09-04-2011 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
My god, you site promoters really go to extremes with your made up crap.
There is plenty of evidence in this forum of US players going to places such as Canada, Costa Rica and Europe to play.

Of course you probably haven't noticed that because whichever site is paying you to post on this thread in order to remove any credibility the riggies might have by association with your farcical posts does not expect you to keep abreast of other subject.

Come on blatantly******ed:

Tell us which site you're working for.

And how much they are paying you.
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09-04-2011 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Apart, of course, from all those Americans who are flocking to Canada and other climes to play.
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Originally Posted by Wiki

Come on blatantly******ed:

Tell us which site you're working for.

And how much they are paying you.
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
My god, you site promoters really go to extremes with your made up crap.
THIS
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09-04-2011 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
THIS
You didn't answer the questions.

I'll remind you:

Tell us which site you're working for.

And how much they are paying you.
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09-04-2011 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You didn't answer the questions.

I'll remind you:

Tell us which site you're working for.

And how much they are paying you.
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
My god, you site promoters really go to extremes with your made up crap.
And again!
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09-04-2011 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
And again!
Why don't you just answer the questions? I'd love to know which site came up with the genius idea of having someone pretend to be a riggie but keep posting in such a moronic fashion that people treat him and other riggies as nothing but a joke. Which site was it?
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09-04-2011 , 05:45 AM
Cant believe only 36% here are aware that online poker is rigged.
This poll most likely is rigged too!
Maybe there is some kind of conspiracy behind this? (A group of mods might secretly be working for poker sites and have manipulated the poll...?)
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09-04-2011 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
Why don't you just answer the questions? I'd love to know which site came up with the genius idea of having someone pretend to be a riggie but keep posting in such a moronic fashion that people treat him and other riggies as nothing but a joke. Which site was it?
I'm beginning to think that BR really does work for a poker site.

I know it started off as a joke but I can't think of any other credible reason why someone would come on here and repeatedly and willingly make an idiot of himself.
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09-04-2011 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rakhir
Cant believe only 36% here are aware that online poker is rigged.
Funny that because there are a lot of people who find it hard to believe that 36% of poker players suffer from paranoid delusions.

But then we have had riggies admit to serial multi accounting so maybe it's not such a surprise.
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09-04-2011 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
I can't think of any credible reason why someone would come on here and repeatedly and willingly make an idiot of himself.
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me either. But you live in this thread and act the idiot everyday. I realize you get paid to promote manipulated poker sites, but your imbecilic responses prove you ARE willing to make a fool of yourself everyday. Very strange.
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09-04-2011 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rakhir
Cant believe only 36% here are aware that online poker is rigged.
This poll most likely is rigged too!
Maybe there is some kind of conspiracy behind this? (A group of mods might secretly be working for poker sites and have manipulated the poll...?)
Remember, this is a poker forum which receives revenue from promoting rigged poker sites and their product. So yes, you have site promoters in this thread, and probably 2+2 employess who post here also.
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09-04-2011 , 07:30 AM
Are we playing the "who can post the most obvious level and get the resident dimwit to fall for it" game?
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09-04-2011 , 07:44 AM
The countdown is on to... BODOG TIME! (I'm reliably informed that they open for business at tree fiddy BST.)

I can't wait! It sounds like such a fair online poker site.

My deposit is burning a hole in my pocket.
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09-04-2011 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JPFisher55
Ok, we now know that the sites are not so stupid to rig all in hands. However, how do we know that they do not rig the deal in other hands? We don't. And we don't have the evidence or data to test whether or not they do because we don't have all the hole cards for all hands.
This is true but bear in mind that it's just the first step in the process.

I'm in the process of working out another test that will look at another aspect - say coolers or flush-draws...
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09-04-2011 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wutangpoker
I am a US resident.....
Are you sure? I thought sheeples where from Canada
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09-04-2011 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
The countdown is on to... BODOG TIME! (I'm reliably informed that they open for business at tree fiddy BST.)

I can't wait! It sounds like such a fair online poker site.

My deposit is burning a hole in my pocket.
Dont know if Im more excited about depositing $ in this, or...........

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Originally Posted by Laughing Assassin

I'm in the process of working out another test that will look at another aspect - say coolers or flush-draws...
reading this.......
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09-04-2011 , 11:32 AM
Yeah something's not right. I'm postponing my deposit now until all the tests have been conducted. Downer
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09-04-2011 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
How does an RNG spit out action flops?

And what's your definition of an "action flop"?
Action flop is a very wet flop, aka JT7 2t vs A73r, where more then one person can easily flop a monster hand they'd have no problem stacking off with, as opposed to A73r where the lack of connectivity+FD+more common 2P hands reduces the combos of "nutty/stack-off" hands considerably.

I've been 12-24 tabler on stars for ages, and randomly put money on bodog coz i heard it was insane fishy, well thats true even the regs aren't that good for the most part, but AFAIC on stars i feel like the flops are very balanced. Say on a scale of 1-5, 1 being really dry and 5 being really wet, i would say stars is very balanced, where on bodog i would say your getting way more flops in the 4-5 area.

I've done no database analysis, i don't feel extremely passionate ["ZOMG RIGGED!!!@@~11"] about this, but i definitely feel strong enough about it to say i won't ever play there again, and i would recommend nobody play there.

And as far as the "how" question that would be a matter of parameters in the software.
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09-04-2011 , 11:53 AM
I've found out where the 'shills' hide themselves, blissfully unaware of the real world around them:

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09-04-2011 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
Are you sure? I thought sheeples where from Canada
We just flock to where the shepards lead us
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09-04-2011 , 02:10 PM
I have a theory for how ipoker could be rigged without detection...

Ok so the sites know that any intelligent person will dismiss a small sample of data. So what they can do is activate a sort of "customer rewards" rig wherein players run bad early on in their play on the site and then gradually run closer and closer to EV. This would explain why so many people lose at first and complain about OLP being rigged, but then start winning when they play millions of hands! It's perfect because we'll dismiss a small sample as irrelevant but then accept a large sample, which could actually proof of rigging, as proof that the site is not rigged.

I've caught you now, you sneaky site riggers!


Also, I believe that blatantlyrigged is destroying my winrate more than this insidious rigging because I always log onto 2+2 to read strategy and improve my game but then get distracted by his comedy and try to lure him into posting more.

Last edited by wutangpoker; 09-04-2011 at 02:15 PM.
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09-04-2011 , 02:16 PM
Hi tiger, I would stay clear of internet poker!
For me i noticed i could beat the good players only to lose to the bad ones!
At some point i started to see the same theme over and over. It was the agro fish reraising me all in with a gutter or two to three outer. they hit the ugliest draws as if they were the favorite in the hand.
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09-04-2011 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wutangpoker
I have a theory for how ipoker could be rigged without detection...

Ok so the sites know that any intelligent person will dismiss a small sample of data. So what they can do is activate a sort of "customer rewards" rig wherein players run bad early on in their play on the site and then gradually run closer and closer to EV. This would explain why so many people lose at first and complain about OLP being rigged, but then start winning when they play millions of hands! It's perfect because we'll dismiss a small sample as irrelevant but then accept a large sample, which could actually proof of rigging, as proof that the site is not rigged.

I've caught you now, you sneaky site riggers!


Also, I believe that blatantlyrigged is destroying my winrate more than this insidious rigging because I always log onto 2+2 to read strategy and improve my game but then get distracted by his comedy and try to lure him into posting more.
Enlighten me, which shill alias are you again?
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