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09-03-2011 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Usually, that's down to the sprung flange on the rotibulating nozzle. It's hard to diagnose, but easily remedied by recalibrating the endfloat on the secondary müller camshaft.
Providing you remember to earth one side of each of the flux capacitors.

Handulators are a demanding technology.
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09-03-2011 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Kids:

Just say no to online poker.

Otherwise, within weeks, you'll have a head like an incomplete jigsaw puzzle.
FYP.
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09-03-2011 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
This walking buttplug is truly delusional.

Yeah, these azz holes here defending pokerstars of being 100% honest are stupid. But it doesn't even really matter now since Pokerstars and full tilt can no longer take Americans money. That was a HUGE blow to them. Something that they will NEVER get back.

So those of us who believe that pokerstars and full tilt are rigged actually won the battle!
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09-03-2011 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
flux capacitors
Handulators are rarely used for time-travel purposes, but when they are, (and this is not to be recommended), it's actually possible to travel backward and forward in time simultaneously.
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09-03-2011 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
Yeah, these azz holes here defending pokerstars of being 100% honest are stupid.
Probably not rigged != definitely 100% honest.


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So those of us who believe that pokerstars and full tilt are rigged actually won the battle!
Yeah, if you truly believe that depriving US citizens of their livelihood is 'winning the battle' then two things are clear:

1) You won the battle.

2) You are one giant arsehole who cares nothing for its fellow countrymen and players.
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09-03-2011 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Anyone know what time Bodog opens? I'm dying to get down there with my hard-earnt.
About 3:50 (couldn't resist)
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09-03-2011 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
Yeah, these azz holes here defending pokerstars of being 100% honest are stupid. But it doesn't even really matter now since Pokerstars and full tilt can no longer take Americans money. That was a HUGE blow to them. Something that they will NEVER get back.

So those of us who believe that pokerstars and full tilt are rigged actually won the battle!
And those of us in the rest of the world are better off without xenophopic morons like you
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09-03-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Handulators are rarely used for time-travel purposes, but when they are, (and this is not to be recommended), it's actually possible to travel backward and forward in time simultaneously.
Definitely not recommended. I tried it once, now I'm forever having to make excuses for myself.
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09-03-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
And those of us in the rest of the world are better off without xenophopic morons like you
and AMERICA is better off without those pieces of **** foreign sites scamming honest hard working americans out of their money so it can go into the hands of some wrinkly old one foot already in the grave FOREIGNERS. America doesn't need any of you azz holes. America is #1 in the world anyways. The next poker sites will be in america FOR AMERICANS which will be 100% HONEST on our own soil!

I for one am extremely proud that my country closed it's doors PERMANENTLY to you foreign azz holes. America was their #1 gravy train. NOT ANYMORE!

USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by bigwhoop1; 09-03-2011 at 03:39 PM.
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09-03-2011 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Yet there are many that disagree, who have as much as evidence for their theories as you do



We know there are known knowns: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns: that is to say we know there are things we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know.

So in conclusion, what exactly are the known unknowns to you, which are unknown unknowns to everybody else.
Bingo_Boy, here's a dilemma for you. A program called SECT measures your Expected winnings at showdown for all showdown hands in your HEM database versus your actual winnings in all showdown hands. However, most statisticians argue that it is meaningless because without knowing whether you were ahead in non-showdown hands when they ended makes this measurement biased and statistically not significant.

But according to Monteroy, showdown hands are sufficient data to detect any patterns caused by rigging by a poker site. But that view conflicts with the view that the data provided by showdown hands is too biased for statistical analysis. So which is it?

If Monteroy is right, then the fact that according to my SECT stats, I won only about 95% of my expected showdown winnings in my showdown hands over about 1.1 million hands may be evidence that something is not right with the poker sites (mostly AP and PS) where I played these hands.

But if Monteroy is not right, then I am right that players do not have the data and evidence to detect rigging in non all in hands.

You "no way any site is rigged" cannot have it both ways. Either data provided by showdown hands means something or it doesn't. If it does, then my stats are evidence of possible rigging. If it doesn't, then it is not possible for players to detect all potential rigging by poker sites.
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09-03-2011 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
...The next poker sites will be in america FOR AMERICANS...
And owned by foreign money, just like the rest of the US.

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USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!
USA, had it's day, now go away.
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09-03-2011 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja


USA, had it's day, now passe.
Had it's day??? America is ALWAYS gonna be #1. It doesn't matter how bad the economy gets, we are always gonna have the most powerful military and the most nukes.

so LOL at usa had it's day. get out of line and see if we don't deal with you like we have with every other foreign azz hole country.
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09-03-2011 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
Had it's day??? America is ALWAYS gonna be #1. It doesn't matter how bad the economy gets, we are always gonna have the most powerful military and the most nukes.

so LOL at usa had it's day. get out of line and see if we don't deal with you like we have with every other foreign azz hole country.
[ ] America is ALWAYS gonna be #1.
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09-03-2011 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
and AMERICA is better off without those pieces of **** foreign sites scamming honest hard working americans out of their money so it can go into the hands of some wrinkly old one foot already in the grave FOREIGNERS. America doesn't need any of you azz holes. America is #1 in the world anyways. The next poker sites will be in america FOR AMERICANS which will be 100% HONEST on our own soil!

I for one am extremely proud that my country closed it's doors PERMANENTLY to you foreign azz holes. America was their #1 gravy train. NOT ANYMORE!

USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!
[ ] America is #1 in the world anyways.
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09-03-2011 , 04:12 PM
Goth and Weaki can teach us how to adjust from being a superpower to a second tier country - the UK has 100 years of experience at it.
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09-03-2011 , 04:38 PM
Noone is forced to play a slotmachine that looks like onlinepoker, best is that the sites offer a " service " and dont pay tax.

Over the longer distance i am sorry for the regulars but "professional " online poker will die for many reasons....its not important rigged or not rigged..its enough that many players believe it and leave.

There are plenty other games where " fish " have not such a big disadvantage and a smaller chance to be colluded.
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09-03-2011 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by solucky
Over the longer distance i am sorry for the regulars but "professional " online poker will die for many reasons
It'll happen sooner than most people think. Its foundations are rotting as we speak.

Good riddance.

Last edited by raymears; 09-03-2011 at 04:51 PM.
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09-03-2011 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JPFisher55
Bingo_Boy, here's a dilemma for you. A program called SECT measures your Expected winnings at showdown for all showdown hands in your HEM database versus your actual winnings in all showdown hands. However, most statisticians argue that it is meaningless because without knowing whether you were ahead in non-showdown hands when they ended makes this measurement biased and statistically not significant.

But according to Monteroy, showdown hands are sufficient data to detect any patterns caused by rigging by a poker site. But that view conflicts with the view that the data provided by showdown hands is too biased for statistical analysis. So which is it?

If Monteroy is right, then the fact that according to my SECT stats, I won only about 95% of my expected showdown winnings in my showdown hands over about 1.1 million hands may be evidence that something is not right with the poker sites (mostly AP and PS) where I played these hands.

But if Monteroy is not right, then I am right that players do not have the data and evidence to detect rigging in non all in hands.

You "no way any site is rigged" cannot have it both ways. Either data provided by showdown hands means something or it doesn't. If it does, then my stats are evidence of possible rigging. If it doesn't, then it is not possible for players to detect all potential rigging by poker sites.
1) Just because somebody has said that the showdown data is biased and can't be used alone as evidence of rigging doesn't mean all the data you have is insufficient and needs all hole cards. It just means someone has pointed out a flaw in what your thinking and you may need to rethink your analysis

2) You say you winning 95% of expected showdown winnings "may be evidence" of rigging but as far as I am aware you haven't posted any real numbers. Try asking serious questions with actual numbers in the probability forum and see what it really means. I expect it means nothing of the sort.
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09-03-2011 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Yeah, Sunday is deuce-rag offsuit night on randomstars so there's no mileage in playing there. If the full reports and copies of data-sets are anything to go by, then Bodog seems like the place to be. Obviously I'll have to make one last check to see what model handulator they're using but I'm sure it'll check out and it'll all be kosher.
Keep me updated. Cant wait to deposit!
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09-03-2011 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Goth and Weaki can teach us how to adjust from being a superpower to a second tier country - the UK has 100 years of experience at it.
And yet our citizens are still adult enough to decide whether to gamble or not. I guess when you have a nation where a % of the population is as stupid and narrow minded as you and your mate above, it's best they don't let you decide for yourselves.
It's a shame that such a small number of you manage to taint the world view of your country.

Some nations will adapt to the rise of the tiger economies, others will be held back by their population being unwilling to accept and change. No different to your inability to adjust to poker changing, you will fall behind.
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09-03-2011 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Try asking serious questions with actual numbers in the probability forum and see what it really means. I expect it means nothing of the sort.
You offer advice and then sneeringly predict a possible outcome.

You are about as handy as an ashtray on a motorbike.
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09-03-2011 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
Yeah, these azz holes here defending pokerstars of being 100% honest are stupid. But it doesn't even really matter now since Pokerstars and full tilt can no longer take Americans money. That was a HUGE blow to them. Something that they will NEVER get back.

So those of us who believe that pokerstars and full tilt are rigged actually won the battle!
So true. Saved MANY people a lot of money and frustration.
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09-03-2011 , 05:20 PM
Could all US players please stop posting in this thread.

According to riggie rules you are not allowed to post or comment unless you are a player.

As your leaders have decided you are no longer allowed to play, it must hold true you are no longer players and therefore not allowed to post.
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09-03-2011 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Probably rigged = definitely 100% dishonest.




Yeah, if you realize that saving US citizens from losing their money is 'winning the battle' then two things are clear:

1) You won the battle.

2) You are one upstanding individual who cares for its fellow countrymen and players.
FYP
Making Wiki really earn his site promoting paycheck today!
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09-03-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop1
and AMERICA is better off without those pieces of **** foreign sites scamming honest hard working americans out of their money so it can go into the hands of some wrinkly old one foot already in the grave FOREIGNERS. America doesn't need any of you azz holes. America is #1 in the world anyways. The next poker sites will be in america FOR AMERICANS which will be 100% HONEST on our own soil!

I for one am extremely proud that my country closed it's doors PERMANENTLY to you foreign azz holes. America was their #1 gravy train. NOT ANYMORE!

USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!
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