Not a fair comment.

Completely baseless and how you expect people to take you seriously when you're struggling to spell simple words, I'm not sure.

Excuse me, the outlier is when I actually win something. PokerTracker puts me at dozens of buyins below EV just this month. Is that confirmation bias too?

(Again, not saying poker is rigged. Don't call me a riggie. I am saying that I'm getting creamed again and again.)

Yes it is.

Without mincing words, not a single member of the group who continue to question the honesty of on line poker dealing has provided a single shred of evidence to suggest there is any substance in their concerns or allegations.

If they devoted the time they spent crafting their paranoid ramblings on improving their game they might start whining and stop whining.

Cool comment from someone who'd never even heard of Don Quixote.

That is what I meant. For you (at the moment) a winning hand is an outlier.

No, I was purely talking about how one tends to remember these things.

Someone may well have a genuine run of bad luck but then get themselves into the mindset that some situation is almost inevitable and that's when confirmation bias keeps them seeing something that has long since vanished.

Just to clarify, I meant the '1436 people think online poker is rigged = 1436 loosing (sic) players,' comment wasn't fair.

The rest of your post made a lot of sense.

If you look for a fair game you should not play onlinepoker

For myself around 4BB Rake + 2-3 BB handicapp ( to lazy to use a tracker ) + 1-3 BB botting , colluding, randomness or what else.

I guess i have to beat my opponents at least for that 8-9 BB to be break even.

Is playing slots not + EV than ?

I would say that 99% of people who think poker is rigged are prob loosing players. If they were winning they wouldnt be complaining. There may be that rare 1% that wins but beleives they would win more if it wasnt rigged.

1.) Probably 95% of all poker players lose, since the game is worse than zero sum. So the riggies on par with the general population.

2.) Most people who think poker is rigged aren't going to visit a poker site to argue about it.

2.) Most people who think poker is rigged aren't going to visit a poker site to argue about it.[/QUOTE]

Prob not most but this thread has nearly 2000 pages so I guess quite a few do. And yes more people loose than win.

Riiigggeeed

The real problem is you're too lazy to play the game properly and too lazy to do other things, so what kind of credibility can you even have? You apparently want free handouts. Do you think you should be entitled to something for nothing?

Don't blame it on the fact that there's some cheating going on in the games, you've never even given yourself a fair chance. Simply another person blaming others for his own shortcomings.

Edit to add:

Prob not most but this thread has nearly 2000 pages so I guess quite a few do. And yes more people loose than win.[/QUOTE]

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FYP

man I gotta pick up my post count

This is wrong.

There have been a large number of discussions about this, and depending on how you define "winner" the data indicates that between 20% and 40% of players are net winners at online poker.

You really are a complete fool aren't you?
I a have posted hard numbers several time to back my statements about the sites rigging the games - it is all the starry eyed believers in the good and fair poker sites that have consistently failed to post any facts whatsoever in response to my arguments - I have 1704 pre flop all in results that show a clear and consistent bias against a fair and equitable game.
Out of 16 weeks playing there is only one week with a +average result - and it is less than 1% yet I've had numerous weeks where I am over 10% down - overall I am 14.5% down on average over thos 1704 hands - and today it got worse - ALl IN 3 times so far - QQ vs 99 - lose - KK vs 55 Win and A hi flush vs JQ flush - hit runner runner for double inside straight flush (9T)]
FULL TILT Are plain and simple running a rigged game - as are Pokerstars and until people at this site wake up and start shouting they will go on merrily robbing us blind - remember that rort at UB??
just because we play small stakes dosen't mean we can be ripped off

Just typing "blah blah blah happens 64% too often according to my charts and graphs" isn't "hard numbers", sorry. Why should we post "facts" when you haven't? We're supposed to refute what, your word? Then post it. Just that sentence isn't proof of anything but the fact that you can type a sentence.

There may be a fair few who won at a decent rate when the games were a lot softer overall and just refuse to accept the fact that average player skills have now improved to such an extent that they can only win at a much reduced rate.

Why not do some research before promulgating you guesses?

Actually, 100% of players lose. Unless the site is rigged.

The evidence here points to the contrary. There seem to be quite a few people who vehemently believe that the game is rigged against them but continue to play.

Not complete, no.

You've posted a lot of unsubstantiated waffle.

When you learn what 'hard facts' are, come back when you have some.

Starry eyed believers being people who do not believe that there is criminal wrongdoing in a heavily observed activity without concrete evidence.

Evidence?

(By that I mean proper evidence that can be verified and checked and is of an adequate size to form a statistically valid sample.)

You seem to belong the the set of people who are so stupid that they continue to play on a site that that genuinely believe is ripping them off.

Why you think that we should take any notice of such a person when they are clearly one (at the very least), sandwich short of a picnic, I cannot imagine.

I've just started messing around at FT 10NL 6-max to try a few things in my game away from my usual site and thought I'd look at my data since I started. From 3k hands I had 28 that were all-in by the turn, looking at them I can't see anything out of the ordinary though I'll assume most rigtards will look at the 2 hands I won where I was only ~23% equity and ignore the 3 above it I lost.

I'm also sure there will be claims of sample size (and I agree, it's woeful) but I'd expect that since I haven't played seriously at FT in ages (if anything I have done there could be called serious) that I haven't been blessed with a golden account to make sure I start playing there more again.

Hard to believe, but I have to agree with WIKI on one point here. Why keep playing on these sites that are blatantly rigged. Its true that only the "starry eyed believers" will keep playing there. People that want to believe this crap is regulated and action will be taken against them for wrong doing amazes me.
Its obvious to anyone with a handle on reality that manipulation of hands dealt is a common occurence.
Anyway, best advice, find something else to do and stay away from these online poker site scams.
Another tip, stop trying to argue with all the dreamers and site promoters on here, total waste of time.

Figures WIKI is an alias. Someone has to agree with his moronic views!

He also posted under qpw2 for a while until that was banned (as was his qpw account) so add a bunch more for that.



Whether you are legit or a gimmick it does not matter for this point because the reality is that the vast, vast majority of players play without even considering or caring about rigged or not as an issue. Most of the riggies here are not even real rigged believers, many are just bad beat whiners, and a lot of the "shills" don't even play they just like to debate with paranoid people (which can be fun).


Riggies and genuine anti-riggie shills would not even come close to being 1% of the marketplace, and the rest of the 99%+ would just chuckle at anyone who says they are starry eyed believers (or whatever dramatic expression of the day you use) as they would just say something like" dude, I just have fun playing a couple days a week you weirdo" if they had to reply.

Real life comparison - you are one of those guys who stands on a crate yelling about bizarre conspiracies on the street. Maybe 1 in 100 will stop and listen and agree and another 1 in 100 will argue with you. The rest of humanity will chuckle for a bit then walk on and forget it and most people will just ignore it entirely even when the guys on the crate scream about how blind they are from "the truth."

One thing riggies and hard core anti-riggies share is their irrelevance in the marketplace.


P.S. I still have posted more actual hands that can support a fun riggie arguement than pretty much all the riggies combined in this thread, so some of you riggies get to work already!

Thats some pretty comical stuff. Site promoter Monteroy to the rescue 10 minutes after my post.