Yeah, that was just to say that it wasn't the first time, it's happening all the time.

Rigtard ? Nice.
Stupid beliefs ? very nice.

I mean ROFL , does it hurts so much if someone thinks that online poker is rigged ?

LOL , you guys really need to learn how to relax

What's next ? Your punctuation was in the wrong place, that clearly indicates that you're a complete moron and ******., no wait ... rigtard

Just take what you need from a post , make a **** of that and do some insults , very nice ...

But whatever, it was expected I must say.

Anyway and anyhow, rigged or not, it doesn't matter who sized me up and what I do and don't understand, if you think that good move is to shove all your chips with K7offsuit in that stage of the tournament and you're the chipleader, and you're shoving all your chips against someone who open-raised and that someone is 2nd in chips and can put you in the last place with 1bb left, so you have enough chips to 3bet and fold if 4beted, or 5bet if 4beted and if folded it wouldn't be a big deal , but no , you just ship it all as a 3bet with K7 offsuit ? it doesn't matter if a player that raised is a rock, maniac, whatever kind of a player he is, it doesn't matter, but move is great and norm ?

Well, you know , good luck
Okay, I don't understand tournament poker ... whatever you can find to say ...
That play might be working on online poker indeed, it's great, just ship it in.... it's gonna come right ?

Wow, is it always this fun ? And I guess it's always the same people "defending" with whatever crap they can find ? "he had overs, K7 is actually a very nice hand, it was a good move, you don't understand , you're moron ******, rigtard , dumbass, fk ur mother etc."

This is hilarious

A guy like him has zero interest posting his hand in the MTT forum (they will just tell him more polite versions of what I did and he probably realizes that by now). He is a very emotional, casual, weak player and to him a lot of the enjoyment of poker is whining about it. One can find relatively unskilled people at all activities who have that need.

Ironically, I help him out with my approach more than you do when you think about it .

Here, let me actually help him a little!

Not all of us carry the poker term dictionary from 2004 as their guide. A huge percentage of three betting or "re-raising" online are all-in bets, so the term (at least in SnG/MTT worlds) is fairly common and understood as I used it.

For you though I will say "re-raise" and maybe then make a comment from the WPT season 1 so you feel right at home in the time continuum.



Donks who have read a couple books, played a bit online and live and have zero idea of the skill a real player has in the activity, but think they do because they have some simplistic strategies in their heads.





I explained the reasons why a player would do that play against a player like you. You will fold basically any non AA hand, so it is a massively +EV play to do given the situation.

Did you question the math or the reasoning ? Not really, instead you analyzed it in the following manner:


Which is a very emotional interpretation of the situation. Everything you type reeks of frustration, you are very emotional when it comes to poker. Pretty simple.


Unlikely.




Know how I would sometimes amuse myself with donks like you at the online tables. I would tell them the hands they had when they mucked.

They would scream how I could see their cards, how they would report me, how I was cheating . What they never bothered to do was click the hand history link to look and see that hands mucked at showdown can be seen by all players.

Dude, don't be so naive to believe anything people tell you at the tables. Nobody "knew" you had aces. It was not a massive setup in a 4 buck tournament. A guy did a standard play (which you clearly still do not understand) against you, ran into the top (and bottom) of your actual calling range and hit a 1 in 6 spot.

No super users. No alien robots, No conspiracies. Just a simple hand. That's all.


For the most part nobody really cares, even the riggies that will believe anything you say (their beliefs and message matter to them much more than you do).

If venting about the hand makes you feel better and believing the entire universe is rigged against you makes you feel better then go for it, this is the thread for you and be sure to get a much needed hug from blatantdude before you vanish from memory relatively soon.


I would echo Arouet's question of why don't you simply post the hand in the MTT forum for analysis, but if I did that it would be to mess with you since I know you would never actually post there as you just want to whine and vent.

See how much more helpful I am than the nice shills. Think of it as good shill/bad shill.

All the best.

Wrong.

Did you really waste 20 minutes typing out this twisted nonsense? You could have been doing something useful instead - like picking up dog crap from the street.

Everyone who suspects online poker deals are manipulated should withdraw all their cash from the likes of Poker/Jokerstars and encourage all their friends to do the same.

That is the only language they understand.

Good to see you have goals in life, and since you are incapable of writing anything beyond a few words, you should focus on that second one of yours. You probably can be pretty good at it, just keep at it.



I have told riggies this for a long time, and since they are incapable of competing at online poker this is exactly what they should do. Glad to see you agree, and since you must have given up on online poker (correctly) after failing at it, I wish you good luck with that other career choice of yours you mentioned. Think of it as a way of getting your hands dirty.

All the best.

Well, in fairness to me, I was trying to get him to see just that!

Post the hand in the MTT SNG forum, see what they say. QFT. Yep, online pros only win because they know how to exploit the rig. They never, ever win money at live events with their same skills.

Hey dude, don't waste your breath trying to have a civilized conversation with these lowlife scumbags. You can see how that piece of human garbage Monteroy is enjoying ****ing with you, escalating his insults as your exchange progresses. And you can tell by his little story about calling out mucked hands and ****ing with the other players at the table how much he relishes his feelings of superiority over the "sub-par human beings" he always has to lower himself to deal with in life.

I think the poker rooms intentionally hire the biggest dikheads they can find because they know these twisted wastes of humanity will be the best at this job, precisely because they derive pleasure out of ****ing with their fellow man. The piece of **** probably still pulls the wings off of flies for enjoyment in his spare time, just like when he started at 4 years old.

How much are they paying you?

So you must be like a boss or something.

IIRC there used to be a riggie in here that ended up getting banned that used the same weird space before punctuation thing that this guy does, wonder if he's back for a second/third/fourth try.

Erm...




Erm?

The chance of K7o winning there is about 13%, which is marginally worse than getting a six-sided die, and rolling a six. Do you react similarly when that happens?

One possible reason for their play was because all the reasons that you think that they should fold also applies (from their perspective) to you.

Do you have the User ID of the player?

Of course, you haven't mentioned all the times that AA defeated 83, and this is a validation of my explanation here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=31996

It's interesting that a few posts earlier you complained that the fact that "no one" responded to the post was evidence of a conspiracy, and now the fact that Monteroy responded to the post was also evidence of a conspiracy.

Can you please post the hand history so that it can be reviewed properly/mathematically?

You seem to know everything , that's pretty amazing.
With your wisdom, time and dedication I would be at Bellagio 24/7 making millions.
Let me ask you something though, I'm curious , why are you even reading this thread ?

Will you post your hand in the strategy forum or not? If you started doing that one day you might be in the Bellagio making millions.

It's all relative. I know a considerable amount on this topic compared to you so it seems like it is "everything." I assure you that more skilled players exist than myself and I realize and appreciate that, and this applies to various fields as well. That BadBeat guy knows considerably more about picking up animal extrement than myself, so from my perspective he seems to know "everything" on that topic as well.

I also know how to frustrate people that use really boring sarcasm by taking what they say literally. Try it and see the fun reaction that generates.

Live poker bores me considerably.


Same reason people read the National Enquirer when in the checkout line or watch those storage auction shows- stupid entertainment.

I used to actually headhunt players and potential coaches here and found quite a few, but recently the thread has become the blatantdude show and everyone else has started to act just like him (on both sides) which was too boring to read, even for a mindless thread.

However, I could see you were a genuine , highly emotional bad beat whiner who chose not to post the hand in the strategy forum (where you would learn why it was standard) or the bad beat forum (where you know you would be mocked for the cheeseburger stakes).

You came here and tossed in house alien robots and psychic powers or whatever else was in your head at the time.

You did not want a "rational" debate. If you did you would have replied to Arouet by now. You wanted some emotional support, but look at the stuff other riggies write to you - that's only sort of comforting as it is obvious they are too deeply involved with their beliefs and you are not much more than an object to them. You tried to bond with blatantdude in one of your posts and how far did that get you?

In contrast, I gave you exactly what you wanted - the fun of emotionally venting about the hand and arguing with someone talking down to you about it in a direct manner for a short period of time (BBV guys would just say "LOL cheeseburgers" and forget you).

If you ever develop the emotional maturity to play the game properly you will actually appreciate what I did for you here in the long run. If you remain the same (more likely) you will never acknowledge it, but I was the only one who helped you vent your mundane bad beat tale the way you needed.

You also posted when I had some rare time to really enjoy be brain dead (which is the perfect time to visit this thread), and I enjoyed that as well.

Today though it is back to work, so this conversation is ending and I leave you in the hands of the nice shills and the riggies who scream all day at clouds. Use them however you need until you get proper emotional closure and then carry on with your life.

All the best.

And you are his lawyer or something ?

That hand doesn't matter, all I said is that it was interesting, okay ?
First, I don't even know how to do that ... (extract that hand and post it in the strategy forum) , never done that and I never whine about bad beat or something.
The only reason I mentioned that hand is because it happened recently and as a ilustration, it has nothing to do with my beliefs whether online poker is rigged or not.

What really matters is this and I can talk about that, but you know .. "post your hand here and there and grandmasters will tell you all about it" , that really is beyond this whole point.

First point :
Second point :
Nobody bothered here to say something about that , all I can see is acting grandeur , calling people names etc.
Well you know, that's easy and any kid can do that, but if that's what this topic is really about then fine, I'm not interested if that's the case.

And you seem to think you know everything.

As asked by others, why don't you post the hand in the strategy forums? It's stuff like this that what keeps mediocre players on the same level and they will never improve. But i quess it's easier to blame others when things don't go your way and you lose a pot, instead of trying to understand why a certain play is +EV.

Why don't you post the HH so people can do the math for you? (which you keep on ignoring btw).

But that's exactly what you are doing. You don't want to understand why certain players make such plays and why it is +EV, but complain about the outcome with ridicilous accusations.

One thing you all have in common is that for some reason you guys just don't want to learn and improve your game. When asked for a simple HH or evidence of the so called rig, you just don't want to post that for whatever excuse.

Maybe that's the reason why some people are being harsh perhabs, mainly because of the reasons above.

Well, if you know a considerable amount on this topic then please go ahead and tell me what are your thoughts regarding the actual topic of this thread, explained as my First and Second point in my previous post.

Yes, I can see that, however I'm not that easily frustrated.
But if that behavior makes you happy then go ahead and amuse yourself by doing that

Interesting, however that speaks volumes about you and your "expertise" on differences between live and online poker and why you can't see that "standard play" playing live but somehow that move is "perfectly norm" playing online.

You can see many things , like I said... that must have been the result of psychic powers, if you could actually use some other parts of your brain you would realize that if I wanted to whine about bad beat I would do that in the appropriate thread, I already explained several times why I mentioned that hand, but if this is all fun and games to you and your goal is to frustrate people like you said , then go ahead and do that , it's a free world

Isn't the best way to "produce as much rake as possible" by providing an honest game and grow the business?

I think that if the game was not fair, it would crush the business very quickly on two fronts: firstly, obviously no regulator would tolerate this, and the people perpetrating such a crime would be imprisoned, and secondly, a huge number of players would be outraged and not want to use such a service.
I think your claim is based on the false premise that "everything in a gambling industry that is controlled by a computer is rigged". Can you please clarify what you mean by that statement?

That's not what you said at all, you liar. You said:
You claimed that the only reason anyone would shove K7o in a bubble situation was if they were a bot, which is hilariously dumb. Except for the 3 or 4 posts in this thread whining about bad beats. Refer back to the quote where you claim that you lost to a bot. Everybody on Stars isn't kept break even, everyone's losses aren't limited. Before PTR agreed to take down Stars players results, you could quite easily look people up and see that they were losing exactly like someone playing incredibly badly should. There were even a few players who were down thousands of dollars playing $.01/.02. Surely such a brilliant algorithm would prevent that from happening. Casino games are "rigged" because you're playing against the house. They're obviously not going to give players an edge because it defeats their entire business.

Poker sites, just like real life card rooms, make their money simply by dealing cards and taking a cut of the pots. There was a list of how much rake Stars made in one day, broken down by stakes, posted in NVG a while ago. I don't remember the exact amount, but Stars made something like 20 cents per hand on average in rake, and that was just from the most popular cash games. If they were rigging things, they'd have to increase that amount by enough to pay for the elaborate rigging and boost their profits, which would probably mean they'd need a rig that doubled what they made, which would be stupidly obvious.

No company is going to go to great lengths to try and slightly improve their bottom line when they can instead be incredibly lazy and just deal cards and make millions of dollars a day.

It's common knowledge that certain strategy being used online is way ahead when compared to live. And then after some time it's getting used live. But by the time it's more accepted live, usually there's already a new strategy being employed online. That's what's poker is about when you want to be world class, keep track what is happening strategywise and try to stay ahead.

Poker has always been about exploiting your exponents, nothing special there, unless you're not very good or mediocre.