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20,547,648 games 0.046 secs 446,688,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.143% 63.14% 01.00% 12974508 205380.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 35.857% 34.86% 01.00% 7162380 205380.00 { KTs }




WOW ..... slightly more than 1 out of 3 .... that's so unlikely, right? Stuff that happens 35% of the time never happens.

Hmmmm, well actually most are regulated. Specifically the two biggest ones, PokerStars and Full Tilt are regulated. There's been a lot of talk about the regulation in the past however many hundred pages. Or you can just go to either of their home pages and see who regulates them and click and go to their link.

No U.S. regulation does not equal no regulation. And who knows what regulation is best. Madoff, Enron, etc. etc. ....... American regulators aren't god to make everything ok and European regulators aren't clutzes messing up all over the place. London Stock Exchange.

Also I offered that whole 1 million+ hand database and absolutely nobody said anything. Nobody.

I mean I don't really want anybody to have it because obviously it is all my hands and if anybody reasonably intelligent at poker saw it they could figure out how to exploit me pretty well.

But I offered it and not one person posted about wanting it. A whole 1 million+ hand database which you could run whatever tests on to prove rigging.

If you guys don't want it then w/e ..... I am not offering it again. It was stupid and against my own self interest in the first place if some actual decent poker player at my level got his hands on it.

Fine.

So it will be very easy for you to provide a relevant set of HH's and associated stats.

Very easy.

In fact, it's a bit of a mystery why you haven't included a link to the HH's and a precis to the stats to your post.

This is, quite simply, false.

BTW, typing a lie in capital letters does not make it true.

SHUTUP YOU DUMB IDIOTS THIS MEANS EVERYBODY


THIS IS A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA. HERE IT IS:





GIVE A MODICRUM OF PROOF OF ANY ACCUSATIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE ..... THAT IS IT, THAT IS IT .... ONLY A MODICRUM, A STUPID LITTLE MODICRUM OF PROOF. ONE MODICRUM, ANYTHING. SOMETHING.,



Give it and I will investigate it hard HARD along with my 1 computer programmer friend. GIVE ME SOMETHING


or just keep complaining about random rigged crap that you can't prove and other people can disprove ........ and you are obviously a liar.

Lego,

Modicum.

I think the fact that there are only 52 cards and 4 suits is what makes it seem so rigged. Online poker is indeed a headache, but I think all gambling is, this game wasnt devised to be easy..

I thought that 'modicrum' was a clever amalgam of modicum and crumb.

Give us a modicum of proof - just one tiny crumb.

I think it's something I'll be asking riggies and 'tards for in the future.

Tournament speed and frequency is controlled honestly by game structure. So let's ignore the easy way and rig it to speed it up instead of offering short stack SnGs with 5 min blinds, plus turbos and super turbos and rush tourneys... Oh wait...

Heh, I had the same thought - but in that case, I like "modicrumb" better.

Yes, this is the blindingly obvious flaw to the "big stacks win more often" theory. I'll enjoy watching them try to explain that away.

It would be more fun to lock the 'big stacks' and 'short stacks' riggies together in a room and the 'run good after deposit' and run bad after cashout' riggies in another room and take bets on which room will have more blood on the walls after, say, a couple of hours.

But in most countries such activities would be banned under 'cruelty to dumb animals' laws.

Wow, you're a mod and a carpal/tunnel and you're getting owned by rigtards/trolls. Get a grip, man!

I would like your HHs tho, always wanted to get my hands on something like that to better understand people's plays (not yours in particular, I'm at micros)

You MUST be making A FORTUNE because it would be SO EASY to make a profit using this VALUABLE INFORMATION.

Thank-you.

I wish I didn't make that really drunk post. I don't want to actually have to spend my time looking into crazy theories.

I'd go back and delete those posts if I could.

As said I was just drunk last night and spent less than 2 minutes making that silly post.

Is it possible for full tilt to rig the software by dealing more setup hands and bad beats...Purely from a computer programing standpoint as i know nothing about computer programing.

Certainly it's possible, but the trick is making it 1) undetectable and 2) profitable and 3) kept secret. Neither of those are trivial, and doing 1 and 2 together is almost surely impossible in today's environment of massive tracking databases. And for #3, Jules Winnfield and Vincent Vega obv.

Modicrum sounds cooler though.

Yes, it's possible, but, for the reasons Spadebidder has mentioned, it would not be a very bright thing to attempt.

One important point, though, is that if you were to rig the deal, you would not do it by rigging the RNG which would be absurdly difficult but which is, nonetheless, an idea to which a great many riggie theorists are wedded. You would simply ignore the RNG when you wanted to and adjust the hands for the effect you required.

Here is one way to do it. You need a list of players to doomswitch, and a place to store 169 shuffled decks. When you shuffle a new deck, you detect if your player is in the list, and in some percentage of those hands, if your doomed player is the winner on the river, you save that deck for later, and generate a new random deck to use instead. The next time any random player has those same hole cards, you replace the deck with the one from the storage. This way, ALL the hands came from a random generator, you just reorder them a bit. And all the players will have a random distribution of preflop cards, just some will lose more.

That fails in so many ways.

Nice try, but there's nothing random about a deck selected for its order, and this will not give those players a random distribution, preflop or on any other street. There is a variation on what you proposed that is a bit more workable (but still problematic), which I described somewhere deep in this massive thread and which I'm not going to look up now.

The decks are not selected for their order, whatever that means. Every deck is random, and every random deck generated is played. Whatever preflop distribution you would get in the completely random shuffle, you will get with this scheme as well, so, preflop hands are completely random, and all hands in total are completely random. You just change the winners around.

This would show up as "luck of skill" if you played until the river, and as a bad luck in preflop all in situation.

And those mythical billion hand testings would have to look at individual players' win rates and all-in luck on a per player basis to detect this.

Anyway, this would be easy to do for the sites, and hard to detect for the players.

Name two.

Yes, everything is possible.

It is even possible to play paper-rock-scissors over the phone.

It is possible that every software client involved in the poker hand does it's own shuffling, and all 10 players plus the site work together to create a random poker hand in a way that is provably random even when you don't trust neither 9 other players nor the server.

However, sites are probably to dumb to do that or chose not to do it.