Josem, are the people at Pokerstars mentally deficient?

I mean, do you think that if they were up to no good with their deal they would go to the trouble of hiring someone who, half a world away and with no special access to the hardware and software involved was able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there was something seriously amiss with a rival poker site?

I ask because there is a rumour that a particularly cretinous poster here has been suggesting that that is exactly the situation.

Do the people at PS seem to you to be like turkeys who would employ someone to remind everyone it's Christmas?

Good to see nothing has changed in this thread and my shill friends are still beating up on Sn8keChaRmer.

I had banned myself from posting in here but after reading some of the recent posts, I just couldn't help myself.

Oh by the way Sn8ke, I read your whole thread about playing poker on acid. It was actually quite funny

Haha ^

My bad

I was once dealing Roulette to a guy who claimed that he was losing on Roulette because he was playing in "the Paris" (it was not American). I told him that Caesar's owned the Paris and that Caesar's was an American company (not a Roman one).

^ I've heard worse.

Losing gamblers are stupid!!!


** Baccarat players are the worst! Roulette players are bad, too, though.

Tell me it isn't true.

And there I was fondly believing that Caesar's had a line of management that went all the way back to good old Augustus.

Not directed at you, just an encouragement to anyone in general.

I remember sitting through one of those lessons the casinos give on different games, for baccarat, because I was curious how it was played. I believe it was actually at Caesar's. Anyway, I seem to recall that they gave you some kind of form so you could track whether the player or banker had won each hand (or if it was a tie); the behaviour was encouraged and I was led to believe that this was fairly standard for people who played the game.

Also, if memory serves, it's a game that is 100% based on luck, much like betting on a coin toss. Yet it's seemingly a high roller game. All seemed very silly to me.

Never did actually play for money, of course.

I don't get the appeal either, for affluent and often intelligent players. The scorekeeping is obviously useless, yet they do it. The house edge on ties is enormous (over 14%) and on banker and player it is a little over 1% but slightly better to bet on banker. The game is 100% luck, as you said, and exactly like flipping coins except the house keeps some of the money. The participants do nothing and there is no strategy in play whatsoever, so I see zero appeal as a gambling game. I don't get it at all.

Butchered Snake Bits with Barbecue Sauce

Ingredients:

1pkt (10z) rigatoni pasta

2can Squirtable cheese spread

1sm Jar barbecue sauce

16x To 20 whole black Peppercorns

1x Carrot

Method :

* Lg Saucepan Colander Platter Carrot peeler Knife Toothpicks With an adult's help, cook pasta according to directions on package. Carefully drain the cooked pasta through a colander over the sink. Rinse the pasta in cold water and drain again.
* To make snakes: Covering one end of the rigatoni with your finger (to prevent leakage), carefully fill each piece of pasta with cheese spread.
* Place six to eight cheese-filled rigatonis end to end on a serving platter, in a realistically curvy snake shape Using a toothpick, spread lines of barbecue sauce along the top of each snake for markings. To form heads, use barbecue sauce to glue two black peppercorn eyes onto the end opposite the tail of each snake.
* Wash, dry and carefully peel skin off carrot. When completely clean of skin, make one more peeling for each snake you have formed. At the narrow end of each peel, carefully cut out a long, thin triangle. These are your snakes forked tongues. Position tong

Sicko serving suggestion: Assemble two or three snakes lying on their backs, as if they died in agony! Belly up snakes have no markings drawn on them, as snake bellies are generally a solid color.

PULLED FROM LAST 10 PAGES..MAYBE .05% of this persons total trolling

Why BoBo never comments on this? Because QPW is on the side of the shills therefor held to a different standard. Would you like to make an example of others you overlook?

Some things just have a sense of intrigue and "class" even though at the core they are nothing underneath the glamor. I would imagine that Baccarat being shown in the James Bond movies as the game of choice among secret agents wearing tuxedos and evil masterminds who are amid their plot to take over the world helped.

All casino gambling in a way is based on the same appeal. None of the games are more than paying the casino a fee to gamble and many are just variations of coin flips , whether it be roulette, baccarat, or even casino war.

Lots of products and industries try to create the same appeal. Chocolate bar makers recently introduced "100 calorie" bars that sell for the same price as the regular bars. Basically it is half a bar of chocolate (same length, only thinner) that customers will willingly purchase because it satisfies a need for them (indulge but not too much). Many realize they could not buy a regular bar and just eat half one day and half another day, so this option of paying full price for half a product works as silly as it seems.

Going back to baccarat, there have been posts in the probability forum about an interesting counting system that relies on tie bets near the end of a shoe. Rare but massively +EV, which again goes to show you that if a system can be exploited it always will be (except by riggies for online poker).

Regarding this thread, any new genuine riggie will have a hard time breaking in given all of the influx of "proud to be trolls," xenophobes, and fake gimmick riggies plugging a product or a destined to fail new poker room. This is why I assume nearly any new riggie is a gimmick at this point, even the sweet doe eyed innocent ones.

Perhaps the industry has made strides in the area of trust given that we see almost no new genuine perma losing riggies like Bucket and Scooper or the suberbot guy anymore.

Newcomers are not welcome in the thread. It's mostly about turdtossing by an entrenched clique.

But if Josem, say, would have access to hand histories that show all information (i.e. all hole cards), then would you agree that hiring him would be a pretty dumb move (assuming the deal is rigged)?

The riggedness is all part of your personal horror trip

Ironically, any genuine newcomer is hurt much more by the flood of gimmicks/trolls/fake riggies than the "established clique" if they are actually looking for guidance/discussion.

My assumption is you are a fake riggie as well, so if you are actually a real riggie then you now know who to blame for that misconception.

All the best.

You do realise that if it wasn't for the 'tards and their never ending stream of gimmick accounts there would be virtually no posts from the 'regulars'?

Just an occasional enquiry from someone with a genuine concern and a quick, polite response.

Yeah, I looked that up and it apparently relies on dealing the shoe down to almost nothing left, and my guess is casinos don't let that happen, especially if they suspect someone trying to work a system. It seems obvious that if there are less than 10-15 cards left and you are going to deal out 4 or 5 of them, then knowing your advantage at that point (if you have been counting) seems trivial. Casinos are not dumb. It also means you would have to sit out well over 99% of hands just to gain a very slight edge. So even if the casino dealt the shoe down to nothing, you might sit there a few days waiting for a single advantage bet. Baccarat is just not beatable by counting unless the planets line up right.

Josem hinted before (in another thread) that a regular support person has access to hand histories showing all hole cards:

Josem can you confirm whether you could access large samples of HHs with all cards showing?

It seems to me it would be pretty stupid to hire someone like Josem if they'd also get access to full hand histories. It means that if there was a hint of something looking strange he could quickly prove it.

I personally don't know exactly what sample size would be enough, but I am sure some of the math guys here could calculate a confidence level ,or whatever that is called, for you.

Here's the UB scatter graph by the way:



If your cousin and his mates comes up with a result like that I'll certainly be one of the first to think something is not right with the games.

The problem is that most riggies who ever present stats in this thread usually show something that is well within expectation, i.e. somewhere in the blue blur in that graph. It just isn't suspicious.

But I'm looking forward to the results of your study.

I wish the moderator would come in and just put a stop to this kind of dribble. It really dampens the atmosphere in this forum.

I am not sure who is worse, you or the snakecharmer guy.

Are you still posting?

I though you'd just drift away now that you've outed yourself as a shill for RealDeal.

@Sn8keChaRmer

PokerStars is now "dealing straight" to the entire New England area of the US to ruin your experiment, just a heads up.

Ha ha, and you both (Monteroy and yourself) call us riggies paranoid?

I merely found a link to some poker room that was going to use real cards that catered to players who did not trust RNGs of major poker sites.

That was all there was to it.

Sorry bud. Try another angle.

My apologies if you were just teasing me but you actually seem to be serious in your above post and you have been a little nasty in the past.

~Cheers

Wonder why online poker traffic has been so high lately? LoL...

Of course.

Whereas you have been consistently sweetness and light:

Is that how you spell his handle? I am not getting anything on Sharkscope or PTR.