I bet that JohnNashJr = Mphst18, that multi-accounting sack of ****

Serious answer, who gives a ****? Whether it's 0% or 90%, Aaron is clearly good at DFS, and is also not a scumbag. The latter clearly puts him in the top quartile of people involved in gambling, so I think you should choose other battles.

Clearly you're not as "in the know" as you think you are, based on at least half of what you say being completely ludicrous.

PS: I'm not part of any clans Please if there are actually strong clans of elite players, I can make really good turkey sandwiches and will provide copious amounts of coconut water which will help keep your mind fresh enough to keep your scripts running without errors.

I am not Mphst18 and dont know him, he doesnt know me so I dont know where you drew that comparison from.

What is funny, is how you all think Mphst18 is jsut this lone wolf out there voicing his rogue opinion. Tthat is so far from the truth and delusional I laugh at you about that. That is how delusional you all are. He isnt wrong at all, that guys has the gall and balls to stand up for what he KNOWS is right for the long-term viability of this industry. And a bunch of immature punks, just try and use the MOb Mentality line to take away form his point and similarly my point here.

You are wrong im not him dont know him etc, but I 100% agree with his sentiment and want you all to know hes not at all the minority, his opinions are that of the majority as is mine. Its you all here, who are out on an island trying to pull wool over inexperienced peoples eyes. Maybe people like us are meant to be here for the necessary counterbalance, so people dont just think you all are actually good because you all are not.



Oh I am in the know, trust me, so much know that im aware you're another ex online poker scumbag who would love nothing more then to destroy the DFS space and ecosystem next..

Mark my words Aaron Jones is a big, BIG CHUMP. As his whole posse they cant compete without MASSIVE staking backing from the likes of TIMEX and the EX online poker twerps looking to carve out another dirty edge in a different space. I refuse to let DFS turn into the same mes online poker did, and its starting to happen. Thats all I care about we dont ruin this 2nd chance space, in DFS, like you all clearly did with online poker. Dont think for a second im some joke either because ill run your boy Aaron Jones and Assani over since they collaborate. So playing 1 of them would mean im essentially playing all of them (clan/syndicate play).

Point is, these guys arent good they jsut have good money.

I'm here since its DFS week and ill be damned to just sit back and let you all spit some delusional idea of how DFS is played giving the masses a fake idea of what is really happening. These scumbags are only ahead because they use and have used proprietary scripts/software to advantage play the vast majority of average people.

That doesn't make you good that makes you scumbags!

and to top it all off these guys like Bales and Sud are selling out!!

Overnight for a monthly membership fee, which they pocket, and if youre dumb enough to buy one of Bales LOL... books, my gawd, hes a fkn sellout...

now created websites with membership fees to sell all the information to a bunch of squares, because they dont have an edge. Now think, oh teaching knowledge or lecturing sessions on DFS is worth more money then our actual ROI in the game..

DFS is not hard the game itself. It isnt hard if yo put effort in to know, thats why i think these computer aided sites are such bull**** the edge isnt huge in DFS either. Why are these guys, to self benefit financially willing to just sell themasses all these reliable information. One answer, to benefit themselves financially because they dont win that much at DFS. Jon Bales is relying on that DFS website because hes a HUGE loser in the game.

Jon Bales ROI is probably lower than all these other guys, but thats a guess. Im not surprised hes trying to get a Monthly membership fee already, from his fake tout self.

So a guy winning to much at DFS isn't right?? A guy who can't win at DFS starting a business isn't right?? A guy who is winning at DFS starting a business isn't right??

You are putting to shame the great name of John Nash with theory like this

first off I should say this has nothing to do with Timex, Mikes a sharp husler and I respect that..

he think Aaron Jones got that husle and hes got the background of the cardrunners iirc, if thats where aaroncomes from, one of them sites that helped teach too many people how to play poker Aaron worked for. They shilled the tools for people to beat the fish, in online poker, how did that turn out. Why is this like some odd revelation for you now, this is par for the course kid..

Aaron Jones used to do the same thing in poker, worked, got paid (lol I honestly dont think hes a profitable mind at all, honestly) and hes found this space he thinks, Volia, across Millions and MIllions of peoples, Aaron Jones just pops back up on the radar, for no reason because he is that good??

its advantage playing Joey and you know that

Draftkings is designing contests that theyre advantage players have an edge in and therefore wil guarentee to risk alot of money for.....

Dratkings has secret deals with Whales to play X amount, so they NEVER have overlay in BIG contests, especially certain ones.

Jason Robbins does them deals, the squash the GPP Overlay agreements, with the sites Wails...

What I really really wonder if theirs ever any link, between these actual 1% whales and the VC/Equity firms backign them, id bet it gets realll sordid, but thats just a guess

3 way pod with Mphst18 and JohnNashJr seems to be the only reasonable solution. The scumbag pros got to give their side of the story these past few days, lets hear from the other side for once!

its also an effective subliminal way of letting one know they arent on the same team


which two bright minds like you and jonesey probably think

is it the ecosystem you want to kill, or do you want to eat fish for a lifetime.

because many will starve if all the fish get eatin' too fast correct?

most ironic username choice possible

re: dfs hate. it's kind of a battle between equality (every contest single entry, everyone has to make lineups by hand, and games are anon) vs freedom (no entry cap, all software allowed). i feel like the sites have done a pretty good job in the last year implementing a good middle ground with a moderate entry cap, plenty of single entry contests and beginners contests, and an in house scripting system. saahil is going to be .0075 percent of DK marquee NFL event in week 1.

Funny to see teh same guys who ****ed up poker are moving on to a different industry to do teh same

Also get nash on. Would be teh only dfs one i'd watch

Dont even try buddy, they wont listen, they wont learn completely independant wat happend in teh past

that does make me feel like I am spinning my wheels lol

is it even worth it with these insignificant morons. Dont think so other than to let them know were onto you all. You arent that far ahead, of anything (Assani you Square). A joke these fish are, without appreciating the sentiment

teh is good sir

I'm going to try to respond to your posts seriously. Hopefully this can start a good discussion that will eventually be a good thing for DFS. You seems to understand that DFS could easily go down the path of poker, and die pretty shortly, but you don't seem to understand the nuances of this. Part of why you have so little credibility, and thus, no one in this thread taking you seriously, is you say things as if you know people and their motivations, but you are just wrong. More on that below.

Again you're basically saying the world should be perfect and everyone should work together to do what's best for society as a whole. Even if that were true, this would never happen. It is on the sites to protect the ecosystem, and they have every reason to try to do it -- they're both $1B+ companies (despite recent downswing). As vini said, in the last 15 months or so, since the whole scripting debate and multi-entry stuff, I believe the sites have done a good job moving in the right direction. Entry limits are much lower, scripts have been taken care of, and more and more single entry/3 entry max/5 entry max contests are offered. While I think there are still some tweaks that both sites can make, it's hard to know exactly what is right, and you have to realize how much they have on the line given their VC funding/valuations. They have way more data than we will ever have, and will always be in a better position to make these decisions. They're not just going to rip apart good businesses because of what a bunch of disgruntled rotogrinders users think.

Lastly, you said Saahil used a script to put Channing Frye in all his lineups. This claim is at best unsubstantiated, and at worst, completely wrong. It's impossible for anyone other than him and DraftKings to really know, but what he said on Joey's podcast is that he had Iman Shumpert in all of his lineups, and was able to do a global player replace. If you don't believe that then fine -- but you're representing speculation as fact despite the presence of a totally plausible explanation where no wrongdoing occurred.

This whole dfs sht is giving me aids. Pls tell me dfs week is over. My head hurts.

lol tl:dr

but I do have a heart so ill re-read again now...

Two-Shae thanks for that and I see your honestly interested

Two-Shae ill play your best guys, heads up for nothing. I mean we can run as many sample syou want, and this is important (because we both hate each other, so you should wantt o win) because if 1 is truly better than the other you coudl scrape them up fro nothing or for however much.

Ill help run some experiment top prove some avg joer, can honestly not only beat these guys but do it rather easily. Just bc they register the MOST games, and the HIGHEST stakes, that doesnt mean they are the best.

Are you ready to run this sample Two-Shae lets do it

This may be teh start of a great friendship

('TimSTone' is a European Union participant)

you arent slicking me up dude I knwo who you are, where you come from, what you believe in etc...

Im not gonna outright crush someone like you who KNEW they were playing in literally,lol, unregulated turf. But the United States is my Home Country sir. Thats where im from our Country doesn't function like the EU, or yours.

Careful you dont make a fundamental mistake when you come over here to play vs. US, The United States

If you do this for NFL, you're going to have a small sample size no matter what. But, your overarching point begs the question -- if you're just as good as these guys, you'd be able to win consistently, which would give you a large bankroll, which would eventually allow you to enter as much as them! The only difference is they started with more because they won a lot in poker, or had a trust fund, or whatever other reason.

If you did really want to do it, though, I'd say you should play Empiremaker2 or Daut44 in NBA.

two shae so lets play heads up

( I know your using a Team of 'freinds' to derive lineups lol.)..

Ill honestly beat the mall and i am an untrained avg joe, makes me mad you have that point

the parallels to nash's DFS complaints in poker would be anti 24 tabling w/ a hud and seat scripting as well as swapping tournament action. all stuff you do

there's not really a training site equivalent in DFS right now and even if there were, discussing fantasy football strategy is a lot more ingrained in the pre DFS subculture than discussing poker strategy was in the moneymaker years.

like, i really can't emphasis enough how much americans love fantasy football content and how it ends up more like advertising than anything detrimental. every summer, the yearly preview magazines are a huge cash cow and fly off the shelf more and more. of the top 10 podcasts in the sports section of itunes, 3 of them exclusively talk about fantasy football. ESPN had a 28 hour fantasy football marathon that was basically a clown show of cliches. i think a lot of the draw of fantasy sports if for people to feel like they're geniuses and have a knack to pick the right guys and win their leagues.

there are obviously some touts who are too sharp and give off too much. one example would be levitan posting good content on the draftkings homepage (and like 5 other sites, which to me is a little scummy), but for the most part i'm not losing any sleep over stuff like that. and as an asisde, a big reason for that, is that it's much harder to learn what strategies your opponents are using in DFS by looking at their lineups than it is in poker when you're at the same table.

meh yeah I can probably do this, wed win tons

but these arent dumbies, they wouldnt make the same mistakes twice so you have to know that going into it. Some of the best husles arent ever, Long, because everyone adjusts too quick.

A+

honestly think this one deduced it fairly accurately. Maybe from another country, but excellent. You are correct enough sir.