Also show Varys just makes absolutely no sense now. That scene with him and Daenerys was so awkward because he was trying to explain his actions and he can't because they don't make any sense. Dany pointed out that he was trying to put Viserys on the throne despite him being a cruel idiot and he was like "umm I did that because umm... hey look over there!".

Viserys wasn't really that cruel though. The only cruel thing we saw him do was sell Dany for an army, but that is standard in Westeros. The true answer to Dany's question is that women are meant to be used as bargaining chips, and Varys wouldn't care that she was sold (in fact he may have even had a part in those negotiations through Illyos), but he can't tell her that obviously.

Viserys was a bit of an idiot, but I'm guessing Varys assumed with proper advice he could be a decent ruler.

Varys actions do make sense. Robert was a horrible king - he was bankrupting the region and giving too much power to the Lannisters (who Varys knew were the worst family). Viserys wasn't a perfect choice, but he was a better option (and there wasn't really anyone else that Varys could support).

Varys hand was kind of forced when Tyrion killed Tywin.

Bookreaders debating bookreaders ITT.

There's another thread specifically for this argument. TV-only people don't want to hear about comparisons between the show and the books.

***NO BOOKREADERS***


lol

Is enough reason to skip by the rest of your posts. Stop it.

I already clicked and read some of your spolier, which has no place in this thread and I only clicked on it because my read was it was speculation on what may happen based on the show, not "I think such and such might happen because It says so in the books"

And then there's the unspoilered post quoted above. No idea how many other spoilers are in the rest of your posts I had to scroll quickly past.

Use the bookreader thread for discussion about the books.

Suspension of disbelief at an all-time high so far this season. One really glaring issue: the guys up at the wall have no problem relaying the message sent from Sam on to Winterfell, yet can't be arsed to let John and Sansa know that they just found their younger brother...

The point is nobody wants to read your spoliers and then comprehend how spoilery they might be.

If you must discuss things you read in books, there's a special bookreader thread made for those people who read books to post in about the stories the read in their books. This isn't it.

I hope that the Raven system is similar to how pigeons were used: the birds return to a specific place, rather than using a magical radar-system to track an individual no matter where they are.

I suppose Sam could have heard about John. I'd have to rewatch to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that at least once or twice he had conversations that mentioned John as the Lord Commander and implied that John was at the wall still.

If the timeline wasn't so ambiguous/crap so far this season, I could wonder why a rider hadn't visited Winterfell from up North and mentioned it in passing. Ships seem to be able to circle from the Iron Islands to Kings Landing suspiciously quickly.

Yeah hopefully this gets moved. There is a mod here right?

Alex, please just stop. You're not improving this thread at all.

You may be right - been awhile since I've rewatched season 1, and I remembered him as more just spoiled and immature than cruel. Might be time for another rewatch.

Well, kind of. A huge part of Arya's character development though is that she was unwilling to fully erase her persona. That's why she still has her list. She's obviously not the same little girl she was in season 1, but I think she still loves her family and the thought of being reunited with Jon holds weight. I'd be surprised if she didn't end up with Sansa at least for a little bit.

It's almost like the thread says "***NO BOOKREADERS***" in the title

JonnyA

"I would let his whole tribe **** you - all forty thousand men - and their horses too..."

If you don't think Viserys was cruel you weren't even remotely paying attention. That was the entire point of his character. Him & Dany were supposed to be opposites. He was mad, she was good.

"What's the saying? Every time a Targaryen is born the Gods flip a coin."

The only problem, and why she's such an unbearable character, is that she has almost become him. I wouldn't say she's cruel (although I would argue she has shown moments of a dark side), but she definitely possesses entitlement and a willingness to go well over the line for power, both things that defined her brother. Only we're supposed to root for her because yay girl power or some bull****.

Alex

If you hadn't read the books and known about the prophecy you would be less likely to be looking for clues foreshadowing. There's a reason literally nobody itt noticed or felt the need to point out where Jamie & Cersei were standing on the map. On its own it's nothing, throw in the prophecy and it goes from nothing to something. Do you really not understand why that is a big deal in a thread full of people who don't have the same information you do?

It actually should piss people off that you continue to post itt for literally no reason.

You're still not getting it and it's kind of mind boggling to me how people don't understand this. The entire reason for the existence of two threads doesn't even have much to do with spoilers. At least spoilers in the sense of "Ha, I know who poisoned Joffrey" or something. Bookreaders & Non-bookreaders discussing GoT is almost like speaking two different languages. You have a different, more nuanced and informed, perspective than I do. You can't just turn that off when discussing the show. Yes, a lot of times it is irrelevant. I'm not saying that every single thing a bookreader touches on is going to be skewed with extra info from the book. But it can, and probably will happen. Which, again, is the entire reason for the existence of two threads.

Read Geoff's post again.

Can you see the title of this thread? It's really not ambiguous.

Yes, it did the crown not have a large debt to them?

just shut the **** up already, jesus christ

it's amazing how desperately these bookreaders want to present themselves as being so analytical and smart, making all these predictions and speculating on every mundane detail of the show like anybody gives a **** when they come back and say "OOOOH DAMN, CALLED IT!!"

neckbeards. every goddamn one of them.

Yes that's exactly what we're saying. And it's perfectly ok. It's the one ****ing rule for this subforum, and it's really simple to follow. It doesn't matter if you try to leave out book material - you're not welcome here. There is a GoT TV thread for bookreaders in OOTV. Why are you being so stubborn to not use that one?

The **** is wrong with you?