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02-09-2014 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncl3Slappy
Maybe I figured this out. If I have T$ in my account, and I keep playing SNG's, does pokerstars use up the T$ first??? That would make sense.....
ldo
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02-11-2014 , 09:06 AM
I play 6 man Hyper Turbo's, and have a quick question..

Average All-in Equity,

On the above stat I have it at 52% which means I get my cards in good at least in my current 2k tourney sample. Even though the above stat is okay, my Net Adjusted is negative. What information can I learn from these two statistics combined, if anything? Or how do they correlate?

My thought is that I am maybe being too tight in some situations, which may result in me being small stack more often than not. This would mean that even if I get my cards in good against the looser larger stacks range, I am not seeming to gain much more equity in the actual prize after winning said hand.

Is this logic correct?

Thanks

Nathan
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02-11-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
To illustrate what I mean:



Best guess is my PC is some religious extremist, telling me things don't exist that confirmed do.
Maybe someone can help to illuminate him =/
From the current snapshots - is it possible that postgres is case-sensitive for DB names? I.e. your database is "CURRENT" rather than "current".
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Originally Posted by Seasider91
Any tips on how to review your heads up game for 6 man Hyper Turbo's, so that I can find leaks which may be losing me money as my 2nd place finishes are almost double my 1st places? From what I have read, ICM seems to go out the window here unless I am incorrect.
I'd suggest studying end game in HUSNGs (hypers) and general HU play. NASH ranges for <8bbs should work fine.
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02-11-2014 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisher
From the current snapshots - is it possible that postgres is case-sensitive for DB names? I.e. your database is "CURRENT" rather than "current".
Thanks for helping, that's why I tried both ways (and others) to type it
Problem finally solved after creating several new DB with both importing from old ones and importing all files from folders; with both postgres 8.x and 9.x; with both HEM versions. Somehow managed to create one that works and I have absolutely no idea why the other one's didn't, just happy it's going smooth now
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02-12-2014 , 06:20 AM
I have about 300k ftp points on full tilt. What's the most efficient way to get value out of them?

Someone suggested that I go and buy SNG tickets so I tried that out. I bought into a $60 6-man Nl hyper turbo and was surprised to see that each player only started out with 10BB. Are these beatable? Should I play a slower structure?

I'm a cash game player but I used to grind 10-handed SnGs to build a bankroll back in the day so I have some understanding of the basics.
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02-12-2014 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisher
I'd suggest studying end game in HUSNGs (hypers) and general HU play. NASH ranges for <8bbs should work fine.
Thanks mate. I have the NASH push/call ranges built in to my HUD, so I am starting to use those more when HU. I will check out some Hyper HUSNG details to see what else I can do to improve.

Another question I have...

Currently I am playing in the $1.50's, but I do have enough money to play in the $3.50's and work 25 hours per week in my day job so have the ability to reload if things go downhill. Am I best to just jump straight in to the $3.50's to move away from the bad rake in the $1.50's?

Thanks

Nathan
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02-12-2014 , 07:36 PM
Tilting because a fish with an 7 BB stack finds a way to beat me heads up in STT, should I care any of this ? Obv 1st place pays way better than 2nd but this freaks me out.
He won a flip which is fine and finds it to call every hand (even allins), so I decide to minraise every good hand dealer & BB, to eliminate losing a flip and ending up with 4BB (since he limps every dealer and calls/pushes every raise) played heads up against him in, and I know I'm better than him post-flop.
He gets cripled from 25 to 11 blinds multiple times and just shoves every hand all of the sudden(obv a call here with Ax+, sadly I receive 3T,4Q type of hands), back with even stacks he starts limping again. 3betting / calling with bottom pair on river (when I obv have a better hand).

?? variance ??
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02-12-2014 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fill-my-pouch
Tilting because a fish with an 7 BB stack finds a way to beat me heads up in STT, should I care any of this ? Obv 1st place pays way better than 2nd but this freaks me out.
He won a flip which is fine and finds it to call every hand (even allins), so I decide to minraise every good hand dealer & BB, to eliminate losing a flip and ending up with 4BB (since he limps every dealer and calls/pushes every raise) played heads up against him in, and I know I'm better than him post-flop.
He gets cripled from 25 to 11 blinds multiple times and just shoves every hand all of the sudden(obv a call here with Ax+, sadly I receive 3T,4Q type of hands), back with even stacks he starts limping again. 3betting / calling with bottom pair on river (when I obv have a better hand).

?? variance ??
It will happen quite a lot mate, even more so depending on the format. I play 6 max hypers, and sometimes I feel HU can all be down to card distribution. If you played out the same situation say 100 times, you would definitely be the majority winner.
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02-13-2014 , 04:37 PM
Even the worst playing the ****in world still has a good chance to beat you heads up with <20bb stacks. If it bothers you so much to make that lengthy post, then learn to accept that you will lose a lot in poker even if you are the best or just quit =p
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02-14-2014 , 08:03 PM
In terms of place disposition in a 6 max hyper turbo (or any other 6 max sng), is it much better to have much more 4th place finishes than in 3rd place?

3rd place for me has the joint most along with 2nd place. From looking at my results the vast majority of my negative EV line comes from the 3rd place finishes, which of course is due to the higher chip value when at the bubble.

I think this could be linked to my low amount of 4th place finishes. If I can make more optimal decisions whilst 4-handed I should go in to the bubble with a comfortable stack size much more often. With this stack size I can then command more bubble situations, which should then again bring me in to HU with the greater stack size.

Would you say this is a good observation, and would be the correct way to approach in future? I'm going to throw more 4-handed situations in to ICMIZER, as I think my focus has been too much on the bubble.
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02-16-2014 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by zache4444
I was not really asking how to use a HUD. I am quite familiar with the HEM software have ample experience with it in regular speed SNGs. My previous post was questioning HEM's HUD effectiveness in Superturbo/hyperturbo games (if any). As im sure you already know, superturbo/hyperturbos are quite different and thus you would have to configure HEM correspondingly. Therefore I was hoping to hear others opinions about the subject of its usage in this particular situation because I thought that was what the 2p2 forums were for... ty and gl
HUD or HEMs are not about stratergy at all they are about getting software to do the work for you "lazy players" go to a card room any where & you are lost without it!
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02-16-2014 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
HUD or HEMs are not about stratergy at all they are about getting software to do the work for you "lazy players" go to a card room any where & you are lost without it!
It's a shame you are too lazy to learn how to play multiple tables when the online environment provides the tools that make it possible. I do doubt any competent multi-tabler would be lost only having to keep track of a single live table.
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02-16-2014 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TT6
Posting this one here as I guess for most people it might be obvious, but it's kind of intrigued me.

In my mind I'd exclude AA and probably KK from his range here as it would be such an odd thing to do with them, and that just about makes it a call with my JJ (according to the range I assign him in Wiz). He'd been playing pretty tight and I think this was his first shove Was I wrong to exclude those mentally at this stage? I've included the result as it shows I clearly was!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

UTG (t6400)
Hero (Button) (t1545)
SB (t2520)
BB (t3035)

Hero's M: 3.86

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
UTG bets t6375 (All-In), Hero calls t1520 (All-In), 2 folds

Flop: (t3440) 7, 6, 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3440) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3440) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3440

Results:
Hero had J, J (two pair, Jacks and nines).
UTG had A, A (two pair, Aces and nines).
Outcome: UTG won t3440

Thoughts appreciated
There only fish hocks must flop help !
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02-17-2014 , 11:08 AM
Trolling might get more credit if you don't quote 2010 posts
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02-17-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobbey
There only fish hocks must flop help !
Imo nothing you could do, would you have folded JJ with 8 blinds left ? He could aswell just be stealing with Arag + ?

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I've been playing FR and 6-max for a long time (switching from them because of online articles / forum topics), but I never could choose between them. But what do you guys think ? Taking personal considerations aside like being loose / tight etc, cause in the end the payouts are the same, 1 in 3 wins.

I recently read several articles again on STT and strategies etc..., and I came across one (can't provide the link) forum post which claimed that 6-max STT's cannot be profitable, unless you run good for a period. Because getting second earns just less then double the buyin. So if you play 20 STT's in 1 day, getting 2nd in 10 will still result in losing money.

Considering the variance, a heads up match can always end up getting 2nd (I recently got second in one where my opponent only had 6-8 BB, and I over 40 )
Where to a FR match, 2nd place pays aprox 2.5x the buyin, and 1st place aprox 60% of a buyin more than a 6max, 3th place will still pay less then 2x the buyin, but a double up in 3th place will almost always guarantee 2nd or 1st place (considering you double up from the player who is 2nd at that time), if you double up via the chip leader everyone will almost have the same amount of chips and chances.

But since 1 in 3 wins 6-max or FR, FR would be more profitable since you win more money than in 6-max ?

Some hands (FR & 6-max)

Poker Stars $6.37+$0.63 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players - View hand 2432625
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: t3435 17.18 BBs
Hero (SB): t3442 17.21 BBs
BB: t3590 17.95 BBs
UTG: t1814 9.07 BBs
CO: t1219 6.09 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with A 7
3 folds, Hero raises to t400, BB calls t200

Flop: (t800) 4 A 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t400, BB raises to t800,
Hero ????

Villain is 13/6/2.0 with 87 hands, so not really a indication

Standard steal, he could fold, call or raise, but worth it imo, did not see a reason to push allin here, we are around the same stacksize and the less than 10BB stacks have already folded.
My feeling here was that he could do it with anything from 55 to 99 , I dont see him having an A in this spot, since AT+ will mostly push pre and A9 or down would simply call. A bluff with KQ would also be plausible imo.

I got to see his hand so I'll post it after some reviewing
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02-17-2014 , 04:31 PM
In the two first simulations I set the effective stacks to 12BB. Making it a little easier. So in the first example with 5 players, all have equal stacks and the edge is set to 0.10 and SB callingrange 11%, BB callingrange 15%.

With 4 players I set effective stacks to 12BB also, but decreased the CO's stack a little to get the total number of chips to 9000. I once again set the edge to 0.10 and adjusted to the same callingranges even here. Doesn't say the callingranges is correct or anything. But that's not the point.

So my questions is: why does it now say that I should shove a much tighter range when down to 4 players?
Shouldn't I be shoving wider the fewer players it is?
It is because the icm tax is higher?
I guess the fact that CO don't have a 12bb stack doesn't factor the range so much?




Also something I noticed in SNG Wiz, is that when on the bubble for example and I sit on BTN, the SB and BB callingranges is wider than with more players.
Why is this? Shouldn't it be reverse? That they should be more tighter when the icm tax is higher?
So maybe that's what NASH would say, but SNG Wiz makes the assumption that average players don't understand this and widen their callingranges rather than tighten it?

Many questions, sry.

Below is stacks set on 10BB effective. In the first example I gave CO 15BB and hero and others 10BB.
In the second all stacks is 10BB.


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02-18-2014 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by The Learner
Also something I noticed in SNG Wiz, is that when on the bubble for example and I sit on BTN, the SB and BB callingranges is wider than with more players.
Why is this? Shouldn't it be reverse? That they should be more tighter when the icm tax is higher?
So maybe that's what NASH would say, but SNG Wiz makes the assumption that average players don't understand this and widen their callingranges rather than tighten it?

Many questions, sry.

Below is stacks set on 10BB effective. In the first example I gave CO 15BB and hero and others 10BB.
In the second all stacks is 10BB.


BvB will always be wider. My own understanding is that (still learning myself btw, so this is not gospel) it calculates the range of hands SB can profitably push with BB folding the vast majority, also then leaving SB with some equity in the event that BB does call. So it is just all about risk vs reward in that situation I believe.
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02-26-2014 , 05:05 PM
should I care any that I just bubbled with the bigstack in a FR SNG or consider it as variance ?

The nits just doubled up through other nits and we where all on the same stacksize 5 handed, with some stealing & dealing I took chiplead and then someone else busted 5th player (bringing him to 6 blinds below my stack)
blinds are 150-300 and im sitting on roughly 4K, with others on 3K and 1.5K and 1.9K

with blinds this high its just a matter of cold deck or not ?
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02-26-2014 , 05:38 PM
This will happen sometimes whether you are playing correctly or not, so it shouldn't be a concern. What matters is how you played each hand.
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02-27-2014 , 04:12 AM
Hey guys! What books/videos you recommend for player who is starting sngs (6max turbos/hypers).
I have played NLHE/PLO cash games micros and small stakes casually.
And i am breakeven player at best at NLHE.




I know that the sample size doesnt really tell anything, but i am still pretty sure that i am loosing player.
I hope you can give me some tips.
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02-27-2014 , 06:52 AM
From a certain blind lvl (50/100) do you always shove or is it this a leak and should I look into situations where I just raise 3x bb iso shoving?
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02-27-2014 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cnoekki
Hey guys! What books/videos you recommend for player who is starting sngs (6max turbos/hypers).
I have played NLHE/PLO cash games micros and small stakes casually.
And i am breakeven player at best at NLHE.




I know that the sample size doesnt really tell anything, but i am still pretty sure that i am loosing player.
I hope you can give me some tips.
Collin Moshman Sit n go book has alot of information, if its out-dated or not, its still where the strategies of today are from. I'm 3/4 through the book, but I have not encountered hyper or turbo play.

My guess is just raise pre check fold if not hit and if you have a 30% hand and there is atleast 40% of your stack already in dead money just shove to steal, if you get called you still win 1/3 (or more) which makes it profitable in the long run

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How many STT's should you win(cash 2nd or 1st) of a certain sample ?
If I narrow it down to 10 STT's, should I be 2nd or 1st atleast in 4 ?

1 win in a FR STT equals to 3 other losses in a FR STT, which makes us even.
But we want to profit so we would need to runner up or win atleast 2 out of 4 to be winning in the long run

But considering variance, it could happen that you lose your first 4 STT's, then win some and lose some etc..., If you compress all those STT's into a number of 10, would 4 be an profitable scenario ?
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02-27-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Fill-my-pouch
Collin Moshman Sit n go book has alot of information, if its out-dated or not, its still where the strategies of today are from. I'm 3/4 through the book, but I have not encountered hyper or turbo play.

My guess is just raise pre check fold if not hit and if you have a 30% hand and there is atleast 40% of your stack already in dead money just shove to steal, if you get called you still win 1/3 (or more) which makes it profitable in the long run

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How many STT's should you win(cash 2nd or 1st) of a certain sample ?
If I narrow it down to 10 STT's, should I be 2nd or 1st atleast in 4 ?

1 win in a FR STT equals to 3 other losses in a FR STT, which makes us even.
But we want to profit so we would need to runner up or win atleast 2 out of 4 to be winning in the long run

But considering variance, it could happen that you lose your first 4 STT's, then win some and lose some etc..., If you compress all those STT's into a number of 10, would 4 be an profitable scenario ?
I will definitely read that book.

If i play 10 STT's i have to cash 1st 2,7~games to be breakeven or
5.1~ 2nd places. if i cash 1st place 2x and 2nd place 2x i will make a buyin /10 games.

Thanks for the reply i really appreciate it
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03-03-2014 , 12:21 AM
Villain is 33/32/0 over 87 hands. He had a fold to steal % of 70. Played HU with him earlier, seemed to only call off with Aces, Kings, and pairs, no matter how big/small stacks were. Is this ok? Would someone be able to help me construct a good pushing range against villain? I'm assuming his call range is something along the lines of 22+,A2s+,K2s+,QTs+,A2o+,K2o+,QJo, although not positive. Still learning to put people on ranges, and I'm really bad at it.

    Poker Stars, $3.32 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24245961

    Hero (SB): 784 (5.2 bb)
    BB: 2,216 (14.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 5
    Hero raises to 769 and is all-in, BB calls 619

    Flop: (1,568) 3 7 A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (1,568) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (1,568) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
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    03-04-2014 , 10:26 AM
    Does this graph tell me anything at all about whether I am running good or bad at the HU stage of 6 max hyper turbo's? Does the fact that my net expected chips won is +5,000, and my true result is -90,000 have any significance at all?

    The next expected doesn't seem to deviate too much which I believe is just due to the amount of all-ins, as win or lose you always have some chip equity compared to the actual result which is simply either +1,500 vs -1,500.

    It is filtered so that it only includes the HU stage of my tourneys from my 1005 ITM finishes.



    Thanks!
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