There are no good 9m regs

<----6m ht reg

Atm i do 100 9m hypers a day, would it be worth dropping them and going for 150 6m hypers? I used to play 6m cash so would have thought i would be a bit more in my comfort zone at them. Plus they seem to run quicker + longer into the night.

Just started grinding SNGs on a regular basis and I have a tonne of leaks IMO. Am still beating $15 & $30 turbo 6 and 9 man for 5.7% ROI over 20k hands and 423 tournaments over the last 8 days. I 6 to 8 table atm, but plan to jack that up and put in tonnes more volume. What I want to know is 10% gettable at $15 & $30 STT turbos? What are the very top players ROI? And when will I begin to see a reasonably accurate ROI? Also, is there a big jump in class from $15 & $30 STT turbos to $60?

I have ran about even with all in equity so far and feel like I have been on the wrong end of bucketloads of coolers the last 200 or so SNGs ( though I'm sure we all think that! ). I really do appreciate any feedback as I am a live cash player first and foremost.

Thanks.

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Some are probably ok and some are fish that look like regs. Don't trust small sample sizes too much.

For those who're good, for 9m yes, for 6m idk. Just look at Sharkscope leaderboards. It's biased though cause ppl who are good enough to beat 15-30$ 9mans for two digit ROI are way more likely (are like 99% sure) to play 6m hypers where the money is today. See here:

"Good" as in "good for the standards of high stakes 6m ht reg" ^^

And at least 10x your sample before starting to draw any conclusions about your "true ROI" (sic!).

Why is 6m considered to be where the money is at and 9m has no 'Good' players at all as they all play 6m?

Cause they have by far the most traffic and due to structure ppl can get SNE the fastest way when playing those.
Try searching for how many 9m turbo high stakes games run, hf ^^

Just put in a 6m session today and my word the regs aren't regs and there are at least 1 major fish per table, plays a ton looser compared to 9 max. Can see 6m at the lower stakes being able to get a high ROI% from.

Of course games with smaller tables play looser
Decent ROI in any game small stakes possible, just getting a good hourly for a country with high cost of living will be very difficult. And yeah, pretty much every reg at 3.5$ games or sth is relatively bad compared to the ones from medium and high stakes. If they were good, they'd just play higher.

Well i come from 6m, i've never played Full Ring. But i'm playing thee $7's and these seem to play worse than 2NL it's crazy. I just need to find the right balance as my shoves get called way too high.

Well then I'll see ya in my $500 6m hypers/turbos then soon, since you're such a boss

Dude i suck atm, below EV but i've never had a +EV day so i assume the EV lines don't mean **** all. But i'm break even at best atm, really trying to get a feel for table mechanics. Slowly learning them over time but it will take me 100k's of games to get anywhere close to the $60 limit it feels like!

Thank you, thank you!

200k hands and 5k SNGs seems like a lot for a true ROI, but it makes sense. Wanna play 100 turbos a day so guess it's only a month and a half.

Cheers!

No worries
Don't nail yourself to some amount. It's not really an issue what a "true ROI" is, that's why I put in in quotation marks. All you can do is play a lot and study a lot, results will follow.
Also this "true ROI" is not a constant, your skill changes, skill of the field changes etc. pp.

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Graph or it didn't happen.

Not sure how to split the graph into sessions on PT4 but my graph for this month so far:

Dude, there are players who play this volume in a single day regularly and run well under EV for looong times. Your sample is less then meaningless and complaining about this will just upset ppl or make them laugh at you or whatever.

I wasn't complaining about it?

I was saying i suck i.e i don't play well i wasn't blaming it on EV. I said i suck + running below EV was just another side note. I don't pay too much attention to EV lines as i know over volume they work together. I just didn't think this EV line was accurate at all seeing as i haven't had a session over it.

Would this EV line correlate with the winnings line over time? It was more asking if the EV line actually means anything on these tournament graphs?

Hi guys, what does it mean when people post referring to other players play as 50/30/20 or 75/0?? I know its something to do with how often they play their hands or something but not sure what.

Usually the first # listed is the VPIP (voluntary put dollars in the pot: how many total hands they put money into the pot), the 2nd number PFR (prelop raise: how often they raise preflop, unopened or by reraising), and the 3rd # is usually 3bet (how often they reraise pre)

So in that 50/30/20 example, 50% VPIP, 30% PFR, 20% 3b.
75/0 example, 75% VPIP, 0% PFR

This sticky should answer a lot of questions you have, #19 being definitions of common terms used in SNG poker: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ncement63.html

Might be seen as EV bitching again but is being 40BI below EV in 310 or so tournaments fairly standard? Im new to hypers so not too sure what the variance and swings are like!

Also im really really struggling with bubble play on the 6m's. 3rd is my most placed finish does anyone have any general tips for how i should be approaching bubble play?

The bigger my stack at bubble the worse i seem to do...

I don't player hypers, but I have seen graphs 300 buy ins below EV, 250 buy ins below EV etc. 40 would be standard I would think. You are in sooooooo many marginal spots, that 100 wouldn't be uncommon I would imagine.

Yup, what KOTD's said. At the lower stakes, if you have a really large edge, you really shouldn't see anything too terrible, but as you move up stakes and the edges become smaller, you're going to see some insane stuff.

Here's a 3.5 day stretch I've had in the past couple of months, ABI probably ~$250-275





310 tournaments is literally like nothing, I wouldn't look too much into it. Just study lots of bubble hands with ICMizer or sng solver and you should be fine

Just being new and coming from cash is what threw me off i guess, thanks for the input

Can anyone rec some (free, non HM/PT) software to track SNG results on Bovada? Even a link to a manual entry excel sheet would be great