I guess he missed the flop, would it be +Eq to push here after his c-bet?

Not quite sure how to word this or where to post it. So please bear with.

My poker history is almost entirely fr nlhe cash - couple years back i used to knock off 50k hands / month regularly as I had loads of free time and no commitments. I have recently got back into poker but really couldnt get back into frnlhe so have started trying sngs instead.

Turns out i enjoy sngs >>>>>>>> than frnlhe. Unfortunately, I now have much less free time and am unable to get any decent volume in. If I had to suggest a figure I guess I'd be looking at 400 - 500 sngs per month.

Now I know that given the lack of time im able to put in Im never going to make much money - Im fine with that. My question is: Is there a game better suited to myself than 9man turbos? I only ask as I see a lot of posts talking about roi mentioning samples of 4k or 5k - almost a year for myself.

I am confused as to what to do. Poker is only a hobby - but id like it to be a profitable one.

Yes I am aware poker is a long term game. Long as in loooooooooong. ty for any responses.

Either go for MTTs, because their fun, you experience so many different spots that make you think about poker generally and you can make alot of money in a short time (getting lucky) and go over to other games then.
Or try HU-sngs, since you can put alot of volume in even if you don't play many hours.
9man and 6man sngs are clearly a volume game and it doesn't allow you to make a decent development with a couple of hours per week. Just my 2cents.

Hi all,

does anyone have any stats on how long 6-man and 9-man stt last...

both standard and turbo..

thanks

Fifty, hi, this kind of question is well suited to the beginner's thread.

It depends on the site and the structure. Just check in your results tracking software, sorted by game type (6m or 9m, turbo or reg speed), and for individual tournaments, then divide total number of games by hours played. This should give you a good approximate answer of the runtime for each type of tournament.

Hope this helps.

Hi,

one more question. When smb limp on SB, different authors suggest to 3-bet as a rule. But SnG Wizard advises to check with marginal hands. So what will be the right decision with the stack about 8 BB, marginal hand and adequate player on SB?

Here's a question ive been pondering, which is better for a building a bankroll?
Say you had 5k sample size and used only final position data, 10 mans which have more people and less money per finish, but top 4 or 40% cash, where-as 9 mans, top 1/3 get paid but more money per finish but with lesser frequency


9 man turbos
payouts are (1st-50%)(2nd-30%)(3rd-20%)

10 man turbos
payouts are (1st-45%)(2nd-25%)(3rd-17.5%)(4th-12.5%)

Depends on if you are trying to build a bankroll while learning the game and how much current bankroll you have imo. If you are good and know it then you want to play the ones you can build faster with higher avg finish position however if you are new to the game w/ small bankroll then 10 mans will have far less variance and you can likely have a smaller bankroll with a lower expectation of going busto.

good explanation, TY

I played some sit n go's just now, and got almost every decision correct (with appropriately adjusted ranges of course) according to SNGWiz, but I lost every single game.

Before when I was shoving tighter and playing with my 'own feel' to the game (as it were), I was winning but since following these SNGWiz suggestions, I've just been failing.

Any advice?

"some sit n go's" and the assumption that correct decisions lead to winning shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how probability works.

Make correct decisions all the time and you'll win in the long run. "some sit n go's" is far from the long run. Even the best players have losing streaks of 1000 games and more.

Here is an analogy for your current statement:
You toss a coin twice, you call "heads" both times, but it lands on tails twice. Now you say that something is wrong, because you should have won one of the tosses since there is a 50/50 chance.

1000 games? Bankroll management for sit n gos should be 100-200 buy-ins, and that's apparently pretty strict. Are you saying I should have a bankroll of 1000 buy-ins or more?

oh, I meant losing money over a sample of 1000 games, despite making good and correct decisions.

hey guys, i just started to play 18man sng and i know that the ev line does not show properly, but what about chips ev? What this even means, is this important? Will this show me if im gonna beat this game on a long run?

Is my chips ev good or bad?



thanks!

you run good in this

Has anyone here ever attempted to grind the step sngs on FTP? just curious how that compared to playing normal sngs.

What do you guys think about the 6 max SnG's format on 888 poker? 3/6 players are paid.

does anyone have any thoughts or material regarding variance and downswings in sngs? ive been playing heaps of $7's and studying using SNG Wiz and all that jazz, and am currently on a 70 buyin downer over 300 games.

the only clear leak the sng wiz brought up was that i was not shoving wide enough in the sb, however i think i just got gun shy from losing so many allins.

Standard, downswings in turbo 9m/6m can go 2k games now a days.

Are you useing the default ranges of SNG Wiz?

at first i was, but then i bought a crushing online sitngo thing and ive been using those charts as well as reading through the full guide and applying it is best i can.
in game i have been noting players as tight or loose in terms of shoving and calling ranges as stacks get shorter and adjust my ranges accordingly, as well as altering ranges in sng wiz when its appropriate.

thats the sickest part, at first i was pretty noob but was still winning a bit, but now that ive put in a tonne of work into my game, this is when i get soul crushed:/

Actually, you never should use the default SNG Wiz settings. Those are simply not correct. You need to adjust them by hand.

What would people think is the lowest limit hyper you could make $80-$100hr at inc rakeback etc...?

Just being an average reg? Not some kind of 5% roi god?

http://www.fpppro.com/ + math = answer

i searched but did not find an answer,
in which format is variance higher for two players with the same roi 6max or 9 handed sngs
If this has been answered feel free to delete and pm me link