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11-28-2012 , 12:22 PM
    Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14778251

    BB: 1,360 (68 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 930 (46.5 bb)
    MP1: 1,400 (70 bb)
    MP2: 1,330 (66.5 bb)
    MP3: 1,570 (78.5 bb)
    CO: 2,120 (106 bb)
    BTN: 1,690 (84.5 bb)
    SB: 1,630 (81.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 9 9
    UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 930 and is all-in, 7 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 50 pot
    Hero mucked 9 9 and won 50 (30 net)



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    There was still all 9 players left but I couldn't afford to call and play many flops so went for the double up. Was this correct thing to do?
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    11-28-2012 , 12:29 PM
    Hey Johnny, Harrington dedicated a chapter of his tourney books to you

    Seriously: There is no way you should ever shove 99 for about 50bb in EP at a full table. This is by far the worst thing you can do here (ok yeah, you can technically raise to 929 and fold to a 3bet), if you for some reason don't want to play any postflop poker, just fold.
    If you're searching for reasons why that is and other stuff, visit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...thread-748140/ and feel free to ask anything of interest.

    Last edited by LeaksSuck; 11-28-2012 at 12:35 PM.
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    11-28-2012 , 12:34 PM
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    Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
    Hey Johnny, Harrington dedicated a chapter of his tourney books to you

    Seriously: There is no way you should ever shove 99 for about 50bb in EP at a full table. This is by far the worst thing you can do here, if you for some reason don't want to play any postflop poker, just fold.
    If you're searching for reasons why that is and other stuff, visit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...thread-748140/
    Ok, but if I missed the flop and get bet into etc, I am likely to be left with a very short stack, that is why I didnt want to get involved post flop. But I thought it may have been a stupid shove, thanks
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    11-28-2012 , 03:31 PM
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    Originally Posted by fitnessfreak
    does anyone have any thoughts or material regarding variance and downswings in sngs? ive been playing heaps of $7's and studying using SNG Wiz and all that jazz, and am currently on a 70 buyin downer over 300 games.

    the only clear leak the sng wiz brought up was that i was not shoving wide enough in the sb, however i think i just got gun shy from losing so many allins.
    This one's great: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...ariance-73786/

    Don't worry about whatever happens in 300 games. There's also a free program out there called "ROI simulator", you can run a few simulations with 300 games and the info how you expect to run on average.

    Last edited by LeaksSuck; 11-28-2012 at 03:41 PM.
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    11-29-2012 , 04:47 PM
    What's the best way to select tables on SnGs? How do I find the bad players on Pokertracker?
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    11-29-2012 , 07:14 PM
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    Originally Posted by calpoker
    What's the best way to select tables on SnGs? How do I find the bad players on Pokertracker?
    Sharkscope + color code regs + join games with less than 1/3rd regs (maybe even less at lower states)
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    11-29-2012 , 08:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by Regret$
    Sharkscope + color code regs + join games with less than 1/3rd regs (maybe even less at lower states)
    Why the bold bit?

    Also how can I go through my previous SnG opponents on PT and label the good/bad players? Often Ive only played 1 tournament with them so dont want to simply avoid players I've lost money to and play the ones Ive won from
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    11-29-2012 , 08:55 PM
    Just select whether they lose more than the rake or not. You just don't want to play versus too many players that beat the rake or it will lower your winrate.

    So... you end up with something like this...

    ROI = ROI before rake * 1.08
    Adj ROI before rake = ROI before rake / total average ROI (the total / 6 of all ROI before rake)
    Adj ROI after rake = Adj ROI before rake / 1.08



    This math is not exactly but you get the idea. It assumes people are playing in the same difficulty game which is not true. If 6 -20% fish all play a sng together they will on average lose the amount of the rake (8%). So the difference in ROI between playing a 5 fish game and a 1 winning + 2 be + 2 fish game is about 14% roi.
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    11-29-2012 , 09:23 PM
    Ok, but if I tag people on PT as fishy, good player etc I cant see that when Im on pokerstars, so should i table select by searching for players who are bad on PT? If so how do I do this, what if i find the bad players on PT and search for them on 'stars and they are not online
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    11-29-2012 , 09:28 PM
    also why choose games with less that 1/3rd registered player?
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    11-29-2012 , 10:36 PM
    Was I right to shove here or should I have slowplayed?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14797711

    SB: 5,678 (28.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): 3,118 (15.6 bb)
    BTN: 4,704 (23.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
    BTN folds, SB completes, Hero raises to 500, SB calls 300

    Flop: (1,000) J Q 2 (2 players)
    SB bets 600, Hero raises to 2,618 and is all-in

    Last edited by Regret$; 11-29-2012 at 10:43 PM.
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    11-29-2012 , 10:43 PM
    Nice hand. Don't put in results it will skew responses.
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    11-29-2012 , 10:48 PM
    yeh I didnt mean to have the spoiler thing there, only copied and pasted whats there now, must have done something wrong
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    11-30-2012 , 09:01 AM
    You got a lot of questions, that's cool.

    But try to think harder yourself before asking and read the answers carefully.
    Thinking yourself is the most important thing. Others can give you good hints, but blindly following any proposal cause "he's better and he said so" won't help you much. Make your own thoughts, compare them to other's and try to find out what differs and why others suggestions may be better than what you thought before, that's the way to get a better understanding of poker.


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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by calpoker
    also why choose games with less that 1/3rd registered player?
    If you actually read Regret's nice post, you wouldn't ask this question. I'm sure you'll find the mistake yourself
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    11-30-2012 , 12:57 PM
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    Originally Posted by LeaksSuck
    You got a lot of questions, that's cool.

    But try to think harder yourself before asking and read the answers carefully.
    Thinking yourself is the most important thing. Others can give you good hints, but blindly following any proposal cause "he's better and he said so" won't help you much. Make your own thoughts, compare them to other's and try to find out what differs and why others suggestions may be better than what you thought before, that's the way to get a better understanding of poker.


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    If you actually read Regret's nice post, you wouldn't ask this question. I'm sure you'll find the mistake yourself

    I make my thought and compare them with regards to hands, what to do in certain spots etc but I dont understand why to choose games with low regs. Surely I want to join games where bad players have already registered? i cannot spot the mistake

    Thanks
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    12-01-2012 , 07:38 AM
    I'm sure you can.
    Hint: If you're unfamiliar with a poker abbreviation, it might be a good idea to google it.
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    12-01-2012 , 11:16 AM
    no i ****** cant, can you just tell me. I thought this forum was the place to get advice and info, I cannot google it, I have no idea what it means
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    12-01-2012 , 11:31 AM
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    Originally Posted by calpoker
    no i ****** cant, can you just tell me. I thought this forum was the place to get advice and info, I cannot google it, I have no idea what it means
    Not trying to be rude cal, but what did you learn from my spreadsheet screen shot above? I think if you really review it you will figure out what we are talking about.
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    12-01-2012 , 12:05 PM
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    Originally Posted by Regret$
    Not trying to be rude cal, but what did you learn from my spreadsheet screen shot above? I think if you really review it you will figure out what we are talking about.
    Sorry. But i am new to poker and i dont have a spreadsheet like that so i do not understand. Is this part of PT? I am still using the free trial so maybe I dont have full access to anything. I am still unsure how to find bad players to choose tables as PT and pokerstars are individual things so I cant add a list of players I want to play on PT and search whos online on stars. Do i need to search for them individually? this seems like a hassle

    thanks
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    12-01-2012 , 12:06 PM
    You don't read my post I don't read yours.
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    12-01-2012 , 12:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Regret$
    You don't read my post I don't read yours.
    Of course I read it, I just didnt understand it.

    Anyway, fine
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    12-01-2012 , 12:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by calpoker
    Of course I read it, I just didnt understand it.

    Anyway, fine
    Which part?
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    12-01-2012 , 01:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Regret$
    Which part?
    The spreadsheet mainly, i havent used one. But I think thats a bit ahead of my level just now. I just want to find SnGs with players I want to play. I color code regs, but surely I want to join games where color coded players already are, rather than joining empty games. Thats why I dont understand why i should join games with low regs.
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    12-02-2012 , 08:39 AM
    So you color-code ----->"regs"<----- in order to have them in your games, cause you essentially hate money?
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    12-02-2012 , 10:35 AM
    @calpoker; what the spreadsheet is telling you is very basic:

    your ROI (return on investment) is the highest when you are playing with fish only and the each player that is better than the fish does reduce and therefore your overall income in the long run.

    Nowadays it is as good as impossible to find a table with fish only, that is because you have regulars from each country looking for the same as you do; the best table(s) possible.

    Now we come to the other players mentioned in the spreadsheet;

    on the Break Even Player (who might be a regular as well) you have an edge ROI wise. So you prefer sitting on a table with BE Player over sitting on the table with another Winning Player (also a type of regular).

    Once you decide to play the overall situation on the table must be good enough for you to play. If you sit on the table with 5 players (asumeing that you are playing 6max STT) that are equal to you in skill, you will lose in the long rung - because you cannot beat the rake.

    If you wish to color code your opponents and not join empty lobbies...that is not a problem; feel free to do so.
    There is also software which can table select for you but then again...as long as you do not know who is a reg on your level and who is the fish, those tools are pretty useless.
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