lol this never got any love but I chuckle at it all the time.

Can anyone recommend me a good training site for sng's?
I play 6max/9man/18mans, all turbos
Thanks

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...s-here-645453/

tesuji generally speaking when a flop goes 4way we should just c/f if we don't have something

Think about the hand for yourself...what worse hand could he possibly be betting on the river? You're hoping he has like 89s or something and decided to bluff with it.


edit: 77 hand you should just jam. Admittedly I'm not so happy as everyone else it went pot+call and he small raised a monotone board probably does have a damn flush lol.

Hi everyone Im new here, and am super lost omg!!!

I was just reading a phil galfond post about some guy eating poop, and before clicking on that thread, there was a bunch of other good threads I wanted to read, but now I cannot find them for the life of me

Can someone help me out please?

Quick variance question, played a mix of $7 and $15 6 man turbos and i'm 110 BI below red line over 1800 games, this normal?? Is the red line accurate in terms of what I 'should' have won??

thanks

No the red line is not accurate which is why I suggest not looking at it, most people seem to let it get under their skin lol. It is VERY ROUGHLY accurate, but there's so many thing it doesnt account for it that it's silly to care much over it.

That being said you are running pretty bad and I wish you GL

Where i can find video about 6man turbo in this forum?

The red line calculates your EV based on the hands you were dealt and the situations they got into. Over 1800 games these may be miles off average. You could've been dealt KK 750 times. That would show your red line going way up. You could run those 750 KKs into 750 AAs. Now you suck. But didn't you get lucky being dealt 750 KKs? Red line doesn't care.

Never mind the bubble.

Edit: I reserve the right to be 100% wrong. It's my right, you can't take it away from me!

Edit 2: The green and red lines kinda pull on each other. You'll notice over a tiny sample you can run at 80% ROI and your red line will be 32% - clearly neither is anywhere near correct.

Over a large sample, you might run at 10% and your red line be at 8%. I used to think I was somewhere inbetween, but now I believe the red line has been pulled up by the well running green, and the actual ROI is more likely to be somewhere around 7%.

I still get shown "epic threads" that have been around for years and yet somehow not run into me until just now. They get bumped all the time, have 5* and a million views and replies, so keep an eye on the front pages of forums.

You're gonna waste far too much time here anyway, and I don't wanna be an enabler.

Variance question, I started playing 18mans with more than 200 buyins, everything was good and i won around 50 until a downswing started.

Right now im close to 130 buyins remaining, its been a complete nightmare because absolutely nothing holds up, (yadda yadda yadda pokerstars is rigged *cry a lot*).

Neways, I have a coach that analizes my game and he says im not making any serious mistakes, which should allow me to crush the 3.5 and 7s.

My question is: Is there a chance that even if im playing good poker i can lose the 130 buyins i have left and go busto?.

Graph to show the current situation:

You've had a swing more or less that bad already so yes, obviously you could. Looking at your graph does make me wonder what changed, because you looked like a moderate winner for 1.3Kish games, and terrible for the next 700. You can just shrug that off as variance if you like and certainly swongs happen, but that's pretty extreme.

I don't play that game myself, but tbh I would expect that if you're reasonably solid you should win at it and certainly 200BIs should be enough of a roll. The point of saying that you should have x BIs in your roll is that you can weather losses if you do, so I dunno, if you're playing well, suck it up and keep doing the right thing and things should change.

Why don't you try saving a few shillings on the coaching and post hands you're having difficulty with in the STTF.

First thing I do is filter out whichever game I played him in. Then compare that to how many games he's played total and how recent the games are etc, try and work out what they currently play and what their main game is. Maybe see how they got there, whether they have moved up or down recently. See if they are on a big downswing

I look at their scheduled if they don't have a huge SnG sample. I don't think knowing they crush MTTs will help much if they have a large STT sample, but hey you get more searches than you can use and it's nice to look at the graphs of lucky bastards.

If they have a small sample then you can't really filter much out. Maybe separate higher stakes from lower.

Eh that's all I can think of atm. Think I've bored myself half to sleep. No wonder this one got skipped

Edit: The ROI graph/middle box thingy is only useful for huge samples. When you filter out certain game types for regs it makes a sexy curve. Mmmm.... sexy curves...

2 quick questions:

If you are the big stack on the bubble of a 9-man and there is a very small stack (<3BB) can it sometimes be correct to fold to a shove from the small stack when you are the big blind in order to make the bubble last longer so you can build a bigger stack from the other 2 players (who will fold to your raises 99% of the time) while the bubble-factor still exists?

If you are the big stack should you use up more of your time on your move (going in to your extra time even) so that the blinds raise in fewer hands?

is anyone willing to look at my (micro stakes) super turbo 6-max sessions?

Yes, often.

I guess so.

@ Ruse, Spork...

I'm thinking of moving into some 6m hypers in the new year. Can you tell me roughly what sample sizes I'll need to know where I'm at? adjusted, unadjusted? Right now I'm thinking 10,15k+, is that close? Thanks.

Sample size will vary greatly based on ROI. I know it always does, but in a reg speed the ROIs will be 6-15% or something and in hypers it's more like 2-7%.

Jekagame has played like 60k $7/9 games and has some 10-15k breakevens and 150-200BI downswings etc. I dunno how well he handles his bad runs but his ROI is around 3-4%. I think he prob needs around 15-20k games for a good red line estimate.

I've played about 35-40k supers/hypers total at around 7-10% and have faired much much better with a 95BI downswing and somewhere around 3-4k breakeven. I've always felt relatively comfortable with 5K games to be within +/-5% or so and 10K+ to be rather accurate.

There's probably someone with a 200K game sample laughing at my reasoning right now.

I've never played a 6max hyper in my life.

As for unadjusted.... A number I see thrown around a lot is 2x as many games as red line. I have no idea what I'd guess.

Feeling confident in your current game, seeing mistakes "decent" regs for those stakes make and being able to exploit most/all players in your game to some extent* and having a solid bankroll are just as useful. The only thing the green line is useful for over a small/medium sample is paying your bills. It should even out pretty well over time so as long as you have the roll to give back what you luckboxed/get you through the hard times you can kinda ignore it.

*You have to "know your place" for these which is a skill in itself. I've believed myself to be a decent player in every game Ive ever played and the first few years I was just terrible. Yeah, so was almost everyone else, but my assessment of my game was way off. I'm much better now. Still suck a fair bit but I'd like to think I know where I'm at.

Muchly appreciated response Spork. Thank you

In short yes you could have a 200 buy in downswing. FWIW 18 mans have higher levels of variance than 9 mans and coping with them is probably the hardest part of grinding sngs. The worst thing you can do when things turn bad n nothing holds, or you run kings into aces over n over, or you cant win a flip, etc etc is alter your strategy n play scared.

For example if someone is shoving on you every hand and you have a hand like AT or A9 n you know that you probably have the best hand and would normally snap call but the last 10 times you did that you got sucked out on or ran into a monster hand, the worst thing you can do is play scared, fold and hope for better. If you know you're running bad and have a solid strategy, keep playing that strategy and hope your luck changes.

Note that I said "if you KNOW you're running bad...", I am not advocating always playing the same way in the face of huge losses. If you have a coach who is analysing your game it sounds to me like its some ugly variance, but keep trying to look for ways to improve your game and ride out the harder times.

Look at the samples of the best 18 man grinders, notice their downswings and compare them to your own - you'll probably find they've had some pretty hard times too.

Alex, 6-8k redline or 15-20k greenline games will prob get you pretty close to your true winrate. But your skill will prob go up during the period youre grinding that many games so it isnt exact.

If you wanted to have an idea whether you could beat them or not i think 3-4k redline games could give you a decent idea.

As far as downswings, i had a 100bi ds on ftp when my roi was 7-8%.

Thanks man.

How many buy ins do I need if I play 3.30$ or 5.50$ 5max turbo sngs [3min blinds] top 2 paid?

is 50bi ok?

Hi,

New years resolutions: to post on here (rather than just read) and to get HEM (which i just got on trial).

I play alot of super tubos (6max) and wanted stats in the HUD that help me to assign shoving range to villains pre flop (esp in SB).

I found one that says 'shove 1-9BB UOP' - thought this was close but dont know exactly what it means?

Any other stats that I'm missing?

Sorry if this is in the wrong thread, but i figured it was a basic software question with a quick answer.