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10-30-2011 , 02:54 AM

#1201

DavidC

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Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,004

Redo on that post:

-What monthly income can people expect if they get to "midstakes"?
-What's the absolute entry level BR?
-What software do I need to get good at STT?
-What should I read?
-What site should someone play on who is learning to play?

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11-01-2011 , 01:25 PM

#1202

MetalSpork

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,294

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidC

Redo on that post:

-What monthly income can people expect if they get to "midstakes"?
Will depend on both your winrate and the volume you put in. Don't really wanna guess a monthly income.

-What's the absolute entry level BR?
100BI is prob a good start, but you must be willing to move down limits when your BR starts to dwindle. You could prob get away with 50BI if you are willing to reload if you go on a bad run.

People who keep their roll separate from their everyday monies like to have more like 150-200BI. Losing 50 buyins doesn't affect you nearly as much when it's 25% or your roll compared to the 50% loss with a 100BI roll. Also you are less likely to want to/have to move down the limits, which isn't something you want to do if you can be making more money at higher stakes.

-What software do I need to get good at STT?
An ICM calculator and a HUD are the most important.

-What should I read?
I've not read Kill Everyone, but it's a title I hear often. Collin Moshman's SnG Strategy is prob good for getting you thinking about SnGs the right way.

Posting hands, watching videos and getting a coach will all help immensely.

-What site should someone play on who is learning to play?

The big name sites like Pokerstars have great software (at least, compared to the smaller sites) and allow you to play loads of tables at once, games fill up fast etc. Downside is those guys who play 50 tables all jump in your games and make them much tougher.

Since you will be playing 1-4 tables for a while you can choose a smaller much softer site while you build your roll. I can't think of any, but you can find them with a little research. You can usually get a really good sign up bonus and rakeback too, so make sure you check them all out before you register.

Last edited by MetalSpork; 11-01-2011 at 01:25 PM. Reason: gl

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11-02-2011 , 10:49 AM

#1203

DavidC

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Awesome reply, thanks a lot!

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11-04-2011 , 12:25 AM

#1204

TechnoMove

stranger

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 7

Hi,
Can someone show me if there is some videos I can watch about good SNG play. And/or suggest some reading material on that topic. Colin Moshman on SNG I just read. Thanks ahead.

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11-04-2011 , 03:27 PM

#1205

WurlyQ

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3

What is the best thing I can do to be enlightened?

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11-04-2011 , 05:25 PM

#1206

Rusemandingo

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 14,070

peyote

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11-04-2011 , 09:26 PM

#1207

HELPMEWINATPOKERTY

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2

RE: limping/calling with pocket pairs preflop

When do we do it/not do it? I'm assuming setmining is a valuable play against weak opponents. Sorry if the question isn't narrow enough.

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11-05-2011 , 04:03 AM

#1208

Rusemandingo

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You mean open limping and then calling a ~3x raise or limping behind and calling a raise? Depends on your position, strength of pp, how likely people after you are to raise and how likely they are to pay you off if you hit. You prob want at least 20bbs and can maybe even limp/fold with that stack unless there are other callers or dead money in the pot.

Open limping is pretty bad with smaller pps unless table is playing really passive. Just fold or raise unopened pots imo. If you open limp small pps then youre gonna have to do that with stronger hands too so its not obvious what you have when you do it.

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11-10-2011 , 02:01 AM

#1209

Carreira

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 188

3.5 9-man turbos.

I know its not a good sample but everyone told me i should be making money at this point.

Red line makes me think im not running bad (although i have the feeling that i am running like crap, not because of losing the 60/40s but because of losing 80/20s and a lot whole of other spots too)

Does this means sngs are not my game?

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11-10-2011 , 08:03 PM

#1210

Rusemandingo

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Youre actually running a bit better than you should at allins, but theres much more to luck in SNGs than that.

I dont know who told you youd be making money by now, but its not about how much time youve put in but how good you are. Your sample is still very small. Play a few thousand more games then post anohter graph.

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11-12-2011 , 01:45 AM

#1211

capo_crimini121

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 238

what to look for when you are a paying subscriber at sharkscope aside from if he/she is a winning/losing player ty

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11-15-2011 , 08:44 PM

#1212

tesuji

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 108

I'm reading Moshman's Sit'N'Go Strategy and in hand 1-18 (p51) he says you are a 4-to-1 to make the flush on the river, but I don't see why it's not 9/46 = 0.19565... = ~5.1-to-1. I'm probably missing something stupid.

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11-16-2011 , 10:29 AM

#1213

Rusemandingo

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post the actual hand and all known dead outs and we can tell who is right. Are you sure he said 4 to 1 to make the flush or to win the hand? If you have fd and over cards or other outs it could be closer to 4 to 1.

He could have just been estimating and been way off.

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11-16-2011 , 12:29 PM

#1214

tesuji

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 108

Hand is A

, board is J

. He says: "The pot has t1,000 and it is t200 to call, so you are getting 5-to-1 pot odds. As you are 4-to-1 to make your flush (probably winning even more chips if you do), and your call closes the action, you should call."

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11-16-2011 , 02:46 PM

#1215

Rusemandingo

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Yeah either misprint or he cant count I guess. Also he should mention that getting the right odds on a call chipwise isnt the same as getting the right odds on a call tourney ev wise.

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11-17-2011 , 08:22 PM

#1216

tesuji

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 108

Was folding here correct? I felt like I was too passive, but with so many people in the pot I thought someone catching a flush was likely. I have no stats on villain.

PokerStars - $3.11+$0.39|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 1,500.00
SB: 1,500.00
Hero (BB): 1,500.00
UTG: 1,500.00
UTG+1: 1,500.00
MP: 1,500.00
MP+1: 1,500.00
LP: 1,500.00
CO: 1,500.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 7

UTG calls 20.00, fold, MP calls 20.00, fold, LP calls 20.00, CO calls 20.00, BTN calls 20.00, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (130.00, 6 players) 3

Hero bets 130.00, fold, MP calls 130.00, fold, fold, BTN raises to 340.00, fold

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11-17-2011 , 10:27 PM

#1217

ciuffi12

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 25

sick spot...imho fold
the sit is just started and is -ev loose all your stack when you can fold and continue with 1350

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11-19-2011 , 05:58 AM

#1218

Fatboy54

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,848

Stare at the screen. Pause. Yell obscenity. Fold

PS

In an MTT SNG, my play

Stare at the screen. Pause. Yell obscenity. Shove

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11-23-2011 , 02:24 AM

#1219

urinpain

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 797

They can be on an FD, overpair, OCs, 9x, 2pair.
IF you're behind, you have 7 outs on the flop, 10 outs on the turn (if you don't improve).

I shove.

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11-24-2011 , 08:19 PM

#1220

tesuji

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 108

I probably played this terribly, what should I have done? Early in tournament with no stats on opponents.

PokerStars - $3.16+$0.34|15/30 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,010.00
BB: 1,535.00
UTG: 1,390.00
Hero (UTG+1): 1,560.00
MP: 1,970.00
MP+1: 1,540.00
LP: 2,120.00
CO: 1,520.00
BTN: 855.00

SB posts SB 15.00, BB posts BB 30.00

Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has J

fold, Hero raises to 90.00, fold, MP+1 calls 90.00, fold, CO calls 90.00, fold, fold, BB calls 60.00

Flop: (375.00, 4 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets 251.00, fold, CO calls 251.00, BB calls 251.00

Turn: (1128.00, 3 players) Q

BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: (1128.00, 3 players) A

BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 210.00, fold, Hero calls 210.00

Spoiler:

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11-25-2011 , 01:11 AM

#1221

dirtyjb30236

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 333

I just started playing 6-max hypers. I was wondering, when I review hands in WIZ, should I be setting it to $ev or Cev at the start? Obviously I should be using $ev by the bubble/4 handed, but I thought maybe Cev would be better for 5/6 handed? If I should start the tourney with Cev, at which point should I switch to $ev during my review?

Thanks

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11-26-2011 , 05:40 AM

#1222

urinpain

adept

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 797

@tesuji
I'd rather not cbet that flop 4handed!

@dirtyjb30236
ALWAYS $EV.
Besides that: Do you know how to use SNGwiz? You that just copy-pasting hands into SNGwiz isn't gonna work, right? You have to adjust ranges ALWAYS!
Besides that, if you're (or the eff. stacksize) are very short (which is the case in HT fairly often afaik), ICM and therefore SNGwiz fails in most spots.

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11-26-2011 , 12:40 PM

#1223

dirtyjb30236

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 333

Quote:

Originally Posted by urinpain

Thanks for the help. Yeah I know about adjusting ranges. Have used WIZ for several years, just new to the 6-max format due to BF.

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11-26-2011 , 01:06 PM

#1224

Ryuho

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5

Sup, i am finally starting to play something really serious after a year of busting and busting and make some FT with like 2USD of BR.

I am grinding 12 tables of 6max 1.5$ Turbo STT, my goal is to make 1.5k in these 4 days of November and all December.

But i have some doubts, please check it, and i'll be waiting for a response

1.- With how much BR is good to change to 3.5 without getting a solid RoR?
2.- With how much BR will be good to buy Software like Table Ninja and SNGWiz? I only have a PT3 that a bro give me in my bday

3.-What would be a solid volume of SNG weekly playin this kind of SNG 9-12 table per session??

Hope for your answer, thanks.

GL

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11-26-2011 , 03:03 PM

#1225

Vall3y

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 286

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuho

3.-What would be a solid volume of SNG weekly playin this kind of SNG 9-12 table per session??

Hope for your answer, thanks.

GL

1. what? A good rule is move up with 50 buyins. 3.5 * 50 = 175
2. get SNGWiz asap imo. table ninja is luxury, you dont really need it. plus there are some free scripts that are not bad
3. its up to you... If you want to maximize the use of your time you should play long sessions and opening up new tables as you bust