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01-24-2017 , 06:06 PM

#751

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Like the guy Milo approvingly quotes there, uh, FoldN, do you know who that is?

http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/why...s-moldbug.html

Oh **** who saw that coming.

01-24-2017 , 06:07 PM

#752

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Foldn you know this is fallacious nonsense, right?

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For decades, the concerns of those who cherish western culture have been openly ridiculed and dismissed as racist. The alt-right is the inevitable result. No matter how silly, irrational, tribal or even hateful the Establishment may think the alt-right’s concerns are, they can’t be ignored, because they aren’t going anywhere. As Haidt reminds us, their politics is a reflection of their natural inclinations.

01-24-2017 , 06:10 PM

#753

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"the concerns of those who cherish western culture" jesus ****ing christ

01-24-2017 , 06:29 PM

#754

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Also lol the alt-right is so used to like, the gleeful incoherence of the FoldN/chez arguing style that as the "can you punch Nazis" debate is in full force Gavin McInnes is independently trying(and failing) to brag that he punched an antifa protester(he swung but missed)

01-24-2017 , 06:43 PM

#755

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If that's what you're getting from the article then OK, but it's clearly not what I said.

They're all white ethnonationalists, which is inherently racist and fascist by definition. They're just not all neo-nazis specifically. This is not some wild fringe controversial interpretation.

I think it's a mistake to push them all into the same bucket as fascists deserving of violence.

This seems like the same sort of mistake people make equating Muslims with Islamists with Jihadists. It makes some sense to promote violence against Jihadists, but not Islamists or plain Muslims, despite their sharing a lot of the same weird beliefs.

01-24-2017 , 06:46 PM

#756

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Like the guy Milo approvingly quotes there, uh, FoldN, do you know who that is?

http://www.inc.com/tess-townsend/why...s-moldbug.html

Oh **** who saw that coming.

What kind of a SJW rag is that? Please link to something more reputable like Breitbart next time. Thank you

01-24-2017 , 06:51 PM

#757

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Foldn you know this is fallacious nonsense, right?

Wait, you wouldn't mock someone who has concerns about "cherished western culture" and call them racist?

01-24-2017 , 06:53 PM

#758

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When the alt-right sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

01-24-2017 , 10:56 PM

#759

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Foldn you might have to elaborate on the concerns that Milo mentions. Is the concern that the history tomes used to indoctrinate the masses with whitewashed tales of European glory are being too much abridged at the expense of a page or two about the non-white majority of the world? Honestly, what is this phantom effrontery causing so much concern?

01-24-2017 , 11:28 PM

#760

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This was pretty good up to the drugs and crime part. From what I can tell the alt right aren't men enough to jay-walk, let alone commit actual crimes or experiment with drugs. They seem like the type of guys...like intense quiet desperation meeting barely masked misanthropy. The overriding feature of these tools is extreme fear.

01-25-2017 , 12:00 AM

#761

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We should all be afraid. It was when the Cubbies won the series that I knew. Trump just confirmed it. The worlds gone crazy.

01-25-2017 , 12:48 AM

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Wait, you wouldn't mock someone who has concerns about "cherished western culture" and call them racist?

He's describing a white nationalist/supremacist. That was my point. In that vein I actually don't go around calling them racist as it feels redundant.

01-25-2017 , 01:09 AM

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He's describing a white nationalist/supremacist. That was my point. In that vein I actually don't go around calling them racist as it feels redundant.

Oh, so which part of that paragraph do you disagree with him about? That they can't be ignored, that they aren't going away?

01-25-2017 , 01:15 AM

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I think it's a mistake to push them all into the same bucket as fascists deserving of violence.

This seems like the same sort of mistake people make equating Muslims with Islamists with Jihadists. It makes some sense to promote violence against Jihadists, but not Islamists or plain Muslims, despite their sharing a lot of the same weird beliefs.

Are we discussing the punchability of Milo?

Well I guess the overlap is inevitable. I said that the idea of implicit violence is baked into any nationalist/supremacist ideology. Also,

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The media empire of the modern-day alternative right coalesced around Richard Spencer during his editorship of Taki’s Magazine. In 2010, Spencer founded AlternativeRight.com, which would become a center of alt-right thought.

Alongside other nodes like Steve Sailer’s blog, VDARE and American Renaissance, AlternativeRight.com became a gathering point for an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another. All of these websites have been accused of racism.

01-25-2017 , 01:25 AM

#765

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Oh, so which part of that paragraph do you disagree with him about? That they can't be ignored, that they aren't going away?

I don't disagree, I was merely commenting on how that's easily the top 5 most flowery descriptions of 'white supremacist' I've ever read.

01-25-2017 , 01:36 AM

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We're at the 'words mean things' part of our program.

01-25-2017 , 02:46 AM

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If we're only talking about a little punch party, count me in. I think a regular fight club might do us all a lot of good. If people are talking about serious violence against fascists, then I'm not on board with the ever expanding definitions.

01-25-2017 , 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

They go into great detail in the article in the section on "Natural Conservatives", here's a snip:

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An establishment Republican, with their overriding belief in the glory of the free market, might be moved to tear down a cathedral and replace it with a strip mall if it made economic sense. Such an act would horrify a natural conservative. Immigration policy follows a similar pattern: by the numbers, cheap foreign workers on H1B visas make perfect economic sense. But natural conservatives have other concerns: chiefly, the preservation of their own tribe and its culture.

For natural conservatives, culture, not economic efficiency, is the paramount value. More specifically, they value the greatest cultural expressions of their tribe. Their perfect society does not necessarily produce a soaring GDP, but it does produce symphonies, basilicas and Old Masters. The natural conservative tendency within the alt-right points to these*apotheoses of western European culture and declares them valuable and worth preserving and protecting.

Needless to say, natural conservatives’ concern with the flourishing of their own culture comes up against an intractable nemesis in the regressive left, which is currently intent on tearing down statues of Cecil Rhodes and Queen Victoria in the UK, and erasing the name of Woodrow Wilson from Princeton in the U.S. These attempts to scrub western history of its great figures are particularly galling to the alt-right, who in addition to the preservation of western culture, care deeply about heroes and heroic virtues.

This follows decades in which left-wingers on campus sought to remove the study of “dead white males” from the focus of western history and literature curricula. An establishment conservative might be mildly irked by such behaviour as they switch between the State of the Union and the business channels, but to a natural conservative, such cultural vandalism may just be their highest priority.

In fairness, many establishment conservatives aren’t keen on this stuff either — but the alt-right would argue that they’re too afraid of being called “racist” to seriously fight against it. Which is why they haven’t. Certainly, the rise of Donald Trump, perhaps the first truly cultural candidate for President since Buchanan, suggests grassroots appetite for more robust protection of the western European and American way of life.

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01-25-2017 , 07:07 AM

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I didn't want to edit it too much. I just wanted to spend some time playing "I didn't say ALL alt-right".

01-25-2017 , 08:58 AM

#770

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Oh, so which part of that paragraph do you disagree with him about?

The whole thing is thinly-veiled white supremacy. Like, sorry, you can't just expect to use "Western Culture" as a dogwhistle and fool those of us who read books.

Like, for example:

Quote:

Certainly, the rise of Donald Trump, perhaps the first truly cultural candidate for President since Buchanan, suggests grassroots appetite for more robust protection of the western European and American way of life.

Really?

01-25-2017 , 09:07 AM

#771

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The weird thing there is Milo is calling Trump supporters racist, but because he means that as a compliment it doesn't offend the endlessly fragile

01-25-2017 , 11:09 AM

#772

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Legit not sure if Milo was referring to Pat Buchanan or James Buchanan.

01-25-2017 , 03:21 PM

#773

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FWIW, Milo and the other author don't call themselves alt-righters:

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The current consensus offers, at best, mild condemnation of identity politics on the Left, and zero tolerance for identity politics on the right. Even for us – a gay man of Jewish descent and a mixed-ethnic half-Pakistani – the dangers of writing on this topic loom large. Though we do not identify with the alt-right, even writing an article about them is akin to prancing through a minefield.

And Milo does not like being called a white nationalist, based on his threats to sue an LGBT blogger for calling him one in a critique of Simon and Schuster's decision to publish his new book, Dangerous, which is, ironically, supposed to be about free speech.

http://www.peacock-panache.com/2016/...eal-27270.html

Quote:

[Editor’s Note: A prior version of this article referred to Milo Yiannopoulos as a “white nationalist.” Due to threats of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP) from his management, we’ve altered the article to avoid costly litigation rather than having to go to court to argue the semantics of racism and white nationalism. It should be noted Milo Yiannopoulos works for Breitbart – the self-proclaimed “hub” of the so-called “alt-right” movement which explicitly espouses neo-Nazi and white nationalist views.]

01-25-2017 , 03:36 PM

#774

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

The whole thing is thinly-veiled white supremacy. Like, sorry, you can't just expect to use "Western Culture" as a dogwhistle and fool those of us who read books.

Like, for example:

Really?

It's amazing that you people truly believe this. You think it's strange that when there are so many people who make comments like "I hate this racist backwards country", that others who may love it may have a big issue with that?

I'm with them. If you don't like it, get the **** out. What does your skin color have to do with it?