Yes, apparently lots of Americans do love "this racist backwards country": that's why they voted for a racist backwards President.

Because he is one. Duh.

There is no arguing the point. You people will believe what you believe. You have a long 8 years ahead of you.

Sounds like Milo is shouting down his critics and engaging in the kinds of anti-free-speech behavior that you say you opppse.

Nah, for real, tell us how much you approve of Pat Buchanan's Kulturkampf.

No kidding.

I neglected to mention 2-3 of the rest of the top5 are also from that article.

I will suspend, for a moment, the most accurate interpretation of arguments for the preservation of Western culture, which is as a false excuse for racism and xenophobia. Just for fun I will try to take that defense of Western culture against the onslaught of - what? white guilt? - on face value.

What about Western culture before Constantine? Or Constantine himself, who broke with the traditional values of the time. How do these natural conservatives reconcile the fact, seen in the history of which they are so supposedly reverent, that cultures, even within their cherished "Western culture" often change by way to old things dying and new things being adopted. Do they complain about country music too? That's relatively new.

Ancient Rome, the wellspring of Western culture (incorporating Europeans who were basically running around in rags and painting their faces blue before being introduced to pre-modernity by the Romans) was a diverse society, including inheritance from (what we would describe as) blacks in Egypt. Diversity is a cornerstone of Western culture through its lineage from the Roman empire, maybe the defining aspect.

And what "tribe" do these natural conservatives see themselves in? I don't know what to call a tiny minority who consider themselves as in the same tribe as a super huge majority who don't feel the same way about them. The term delusional losers comes to mind. Tribes are, at least, people with meaningful social ties to each other across many aspects of life. A tribe is not marginally socially connected, complete strangers who have to have some physical traits in common which are arbitrarily deemed to be racially definitive.

I think, at this late stage, we can all agree that this Milo dude incites violence. The question going forward is how civil society responds to this violence. Like the UC Davis young republicans realized to their credit... maybe the kind of peeps this Milo dude attracts are simply too dangerous to invite into their campus community.

With respect to you and your fellow Wobblies, the police confiscated pipes and other fighting instruments from the scene of the protests.



Do you think it was the Milo fans and Trump supporters who brought these?

Timeline of events at the Milo protest and shooting.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ulos-unfolded/

I don't know if the Seattle Times is some right wing fake news source, but if their account is correct, protesters there tossing bricks at police, armed with poles and other weapons.

This will come off like I'm defending the shooter, and like I'm a fan of Milo and I'm not. But if the accusation is that "Milo incites violence" and the way he "incites" is to rile up protesters, some of them act violently, harassing and punching Milo fans, and then one of the protesters ends up getting shot by a Milo fan, something doesn't quite add up.

Well, you're doing that MSM thingee again. Both the shooter and the victim were "the protesters", so saying "the protesters" did this or that is gibberish. Two, by the timeline you yourself posted, those weapons pictured were confiscated at a different place than UW, they were confiscated from different folks, and that all happened well before the shooting. Third the victim happened to be an IWW member, there was no IWW organized action taking place at all. So basically FU on trying to blame my union. Again... shame on you for spreading such calumny.

What we do know is the shooter brought a gun onto campus, which is prohibited. We do know that the shooter discharged his weapon into someone else's gut. And we do know that two wrongs don't make a right, and it ain't some vigilantes job to start shooting peeps, regardless of what some other third party peeps may or may not be doing.

So yes. This Milo dude incites violence. Some of his book buying fans are dangerous and violent people. This is all beyond question.

You Smarts are sooo Smart, the Smart just fails to be as Smart as Smart should be...



Weird, and deeply concerning @ the same time

Edit: Divide et impera

Why would a Milo fan protest a Milo event?


Idk if it was your union, but if accounts are accurate, someone brought the pipes, someone was tossing bricks at police, someone was punching Milo fans. I'm guessing it wasn't Milo fans.

There's no excuse for bringing a gun on campus, imo. I hope the shooter is charged.

Wow, it literally scares me that people who think like you exist. **** you for trying to shame me on this, you ****ing douche bag.

Milo: Feminism is cancer
Protesters: *toss bricks at police, punch Milo fans*
*Someone gets shot*
Shamey: Clearly Milo incites violence....

LOL, you either didn't read your own link or you're a shameless liar.

Feel free to correct the record....

It's (b).

I'm more than willing to assume this is just one news account and that it may not have happened. Also more that willing to believe nobody punched the shooter and stole his hat like he wrote to Milo on facebook hours before he ended up shooting the guy "in self defense".

But based on the punch a nazi thread, all of that is very likely to have happened, imo.

You're conflating the guy who got shot with the guy who punched someone and the people who threw bricks, there's no indication the IWW has anything to do with any of this, the confiscation of weapons you cited happened an hour before the shooting and has dick to do with what happened. It's either another case of you not reading your own link or just lying.

...and here you're making assumptions about the shooting vicirm based on some **** totally different people are posting on the Internet? There's zero evidence that the IWW was doing anything wrong.

No, I said "accounts" say... there are others.... and the link claims bricks were thrown at police at the Milo protest... the shooter posted on Facebook hours before the shooting he was sucker punched...

You guys are the one's conflating shiz not me. I said dick about the guy who got shot, my beef is with Shamey's really crappy reasoning that because someone got shot at a violent protest, that means Milo is inciting violence when it's clear that the protesters were generating the most violence.

Not saying anything about the victim other than "with respect to you and your fellow Wobblies" you guys are ****ing ridiculous, I guess I should have gone with the double negative "with no-disrespect to".

I'd say the guy firing gunshots at people is generating the most violent.

"With respect to Wobblies, here are some scary weapons that have nothing to do with the IWW or the fellow who got shot"

Super honest posting!