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02-23-2017 , 03:00 PM
Milo's comments have been out there and well known for a long time. Idiots didn't know, admittedly, but then idiots usually don't know stuff, and they just got woke.
02-23-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
I know this is hard for you conspiracy theory lovin' fools, but no. You misunderstand my opinion. Let's rewind. My opinion was LOL@ the MSM (including Breitbart News and Simon & Schuster), the Cal Young Republican Club, and the Atifias for being in a word, lazy. You spewed the conspiracy theory that maybe they all knew ahead of time, and waited to drop the dime.

Does any of the above sound at all familiar to you?

If you came up with this absurd conspiracy theory by "building your own opinion", you need help with your building skills.
I understand your position correctly.

I don´t argue that they all knew ahead of time. I argue that one of the involved parties (as outlined in my "cui bono" post) did and waited to release it for strategic reasons.
The rest simply jumped on the story in order to generate viewership or in the case of Breitbart was forced to act.
02-23-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
It's just something Milo says. Like he says he was born in Greece, when his birth certificate was actually issued in Kent, and he says his name's Yiannopoulos, and previously said it was Wagner, when it's actually Hanrahan (his father's original name was supposedly Yiannopoulos, but it was changed before Milo was born), and he says he's Jewish, when in fact he was brought up as a Catholic and, while his maternal grandmother may have been Jewish, his mother isn't, which breaks the chain.
lol.. wot?
02-23-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
lol.. wot?
You're only Jewish if your mother was brought up as Jewish. You didn't know this, apparently.
02-23-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
lol "doctored" footage.
Yeah, lol at "doctored" footage.
02-23-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Yeah, lol at "doctored" footage.
I apologize and should have used the wording "deceptively edited" as I did in my previous posts on this topic.

It isn´t doctored, it´s edited in a deceptive way.
02-23-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by halcyon229
I apologize and should have used the wording "deceptively edited" as I did in my previous posts on this topic.

It isn´t doctored, it´s edited in a deceptive way.
Enlighten us with the right way to say that a priest getting a blowjob from a child isn't molestation.
02-23-2017 , 03:50 PM
I'm not sure how that footage is supposed to deceive anyone.
02-23-2017 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Enlighten us with the right way to say that a priest getting a blowjob from a child isn't molestation.
There is no right way to justify that kind of despicable behavior.

I think child abuse is terrible and I have no affiliation with Milo´s questionable / despicable (depending on the topic) views at all.

Take a look at this post I made yesterday regarding the Milo video:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3077

I merely think in this specific part of the video he used a rhetoric technique to destroy the strawman argument of the guy in the red jersey. While for the average viewer not aware of the rhetoric strategy employed by Milo this looks like a depraved joke at the expense of abused children.

Besides, Milo suffered child abuse himself. His behavior could (not should, but could) be also interpreted like a (mal)adaptive coping technique to deal with the suffered trauma.
This kind of behavior is not that uncommon in people who were victims of sexual abuse or some other traumatic experiences.

Disclaimer: Before you spin my post to represent something it is not. I think child abuse is despicable and Milo´s statements are worthy of condemnation.
I don´t even like Milo as a person and think he has wrong / very questionable views on nearly all issues, but I will admit to admiring his rhetoric.
02-23-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Besides, Milo suffered child abuse himself. His behavior could (not should, but could) be also interpreted like a (mal)adaptive coping technique to deal with the suffered trauma.
You cannot be serious. He's an adult now. What happened to him as a child is horrible, but he has agency as an adult now. This isn't a healthy coping technique, this is something that gets people landed in prison or worse.
02-23-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
You cannot be serious. He's an adult now. What happened to him as a child is horrible, but he has agency as an adult now. This isn't a healthy coping technique, this is something that gets people landed in prison or worse.
Agreed. And there's no real evidence that he was abused. He's lied about everything else, so this is suspect as well. He's just a despicable creature and the Right love him for that.
02-23-2017 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
You cannot be serious. He's an adult now. What happened to him as a child is horrible, but he has agency as an adult now. This isn't a healthy coping technique, this is something that gets people landed in prison or worse.
Thats why I also posted that this could be a maladaptive coping technique!

What I meant by implying that it could be also an adaptive coping technique is that people who suffered some sort of trauma sometimes try to reframe their terrible experiences into a more acceptable version in order to live with it.

Other examples of this:
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
-in ancient times when you were a woman that was captured by a rival tribe... would you be dying out of loyalty to your old tribe or would you rather somehow trick yourself into developing feelings (or at least acceptance) for your captors in order to survive

I´d probably lean towards the maladaptive side, though I can definitely see why one could also argue that is an adaptive coping technique.

If you take it to the extreme, Milo could have died from depression as a result of his abuse (e.g. committing suicide), but instead he somehow tricked himself into believing that being abused by a priest was an enlightening experience (which is obviously completely wrong, but the human mind is able to deceive itself in order to enhance the odds for survival).

Assuming, that he indeed was sexually abused. If Black Peter is right and Milo invented this, than obviously that would be completely despicable.
02-23-2017 , 04:39 PM
Whether it's a coping technique or not, it doesn't really matter.

Milo was trying to argue that some 13 year old boy/adult man relationships are positive journeys of discovery. It doesn't even matter if that could be true or not because every adult having sex with a 13 year old is going to tell themselves that they are the 1 in 1000 that is good for the kid. Milo's statements reinforce that perception. And his response dodges the entire issue.

The priest jokes were actually less problematic, imo.
02-23-2017 , 06:13 PM
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-homophobes who would love to bring a gay man like Milo down
Hahahahahah

Anyway, none of that explains the "narrative conspiracy" or whatever you're building. There's no ****ing mystery to explain here.


Milo was mostly unknown, not famous at all, then had three large increases in visibility over the past few months:

1) Cal protests that Fox decided to play up to scare their viewers about the black bloc, which briefly made all the "anti-PC" people decide he was a hero
2) Bill Maher put him on national TV because of #1
3) He was invited to speak at CPAC

This likely led to someone googling him and being, justifiably, aghast at what they discovered.
02-23-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by halcyon229

I merely think in this specific part of the video he used a rhetoric technique to destroy the strawman argument of the guy in the red jersey. While for the average viewer not aware of the rhetoric strategy employed by Milo this looks like a depraved joke at the expense of abused children.
02-23-2017 , 06:27 PM
I wonder why it's so hard for some people to walk away from Milo.

I mean in halycon's world Rogan's guys had to have edited the film to make Milo look bad instead of Milo just looking bad on his own. That's insane lol.
02-23-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Hahahahahah

Anyway, none of that explains the "narrative conspiracy" or whatever you're building. There's no ****ing mystery to explain here.


Milo was mostly unknown, not famous at all, then had three large increases in visibility over the past few months:

1) Cal protests that Fox decided to play up to scare their viewers about the black bloc, which briefly made all the "anti-PC" people decide he was a hero
2) Bill Maher put him on national TV because of #1
3) He was invited to speak at CPAC

This likely led to someone googling him and being, justifiably, aghast at what they discovered.
So why was he invited to speak at various prestigious colleges like Rutgers or DePaul if he was such a nobody before 1) happened?

And how did such a nobody end up with multiple appearances on the Joe Rogan Experience?
02-23-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by halcyon229
There is no right way to justify that kind of despicable behavior.

I think child abuse is terrible and I have no affiliation with Milo´s questionable / despicable (depending on the topic) views at all.
Right, so let's drop this idea that there was deceptive editing. We're both on the same page and agree that what he said was reprehensible.
02-23-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
It is worthwhile to overcome the liberal echo chamber dominant in universities.

But doing it with Milo is awful execution. Bring in David Frum or Sam Harris instead for differing views.
Both Frum and Harris are strong critics of Trump, not sure that is what the College Republicans at Berkeley are looking for.
02-23-2017 , 07:00 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/lets-m...ocialMarketing

Maybe Milo can just start a Digimon fan site?
02-23-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
You're only Jewish if your mother was brought up as Jewish. You didn't know this, apparently.
Halakhic tradition doesn't have any requirement that you or your mother be brought up as Jewish that I am aware of. Here's wiki:

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Wikipedia:
As a result, mere belief in the principles of Judaism does not make one a Jew. Similarly, non-adherence by a Jew to the 613 Mitzvot, or even formal conversion to another religion, does not make one lose one's Jewish status. Thus, the immediate descendants of all female Jews (even apostates) are still considered to be Jews, as are those of all their female descendants. Even those descendants who are not aware they are Jews, or practice a religion other than Judaism, are defined by this perspective as Jews, as long as they come from an unbroken female line of descent. As a corollary, the children of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother are not considered to be Jews by Halakha unless they formally convert according to Halakha, even if raised fully observant in the Mitzvot.

Last edited by Original Position; 02-23-2017 at 07:02 PM. Reason: accuracy
02-23-2017 , 07:03 PM
It always makes me think of the Stewart Lee joke about how Scottishness is passed on in the genes.
02-23-2017 , 07:05 PM
You mean being Scotch surely.
02-23-2017 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
You're only Jewish if your mother was brought up as Jewish. You didn't know this, apparently.
No. I dont think it works this way.

If your mom was jewish, you can be jewish too. Thats what the orthodox believe. Dad doesnt matter tho.
02-23-2017 , 07:31 PM
I believe he refers to Scottishness being passed on in the genes, and refers to himself as "Scotch" at other points.

      
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