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09-22-2014 , 03:35 PM

#276

Dids

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Oh look it's Spank once again trying to co-opt an actual real problem (bullying, mental illness) as part of his argument as to why we shouldn't point out that his very stupid posts/ideas are stupid posts/ideas.

09-22-2014 , 03:36 PM

#277

rjoefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

DS is not people.

And he wasn't the only one to step up with that point of view.

09-22-2014 , 03:43 PM

#278

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Do you think bullying 'social awkwardness' out of person is remotely correct? What does social awkwardness really mean?

Spank, ITT I don't care. This thread is talking about racism and political correctness. You're free to make a thread about bullying, social awkwardness, and geekism. I'm only concerned with the relatively of the two. As I said as much as I commiserate with the geek who gets bullied as a systematic problem its scope is far less than racism.

09-22-2014 , 03:49 PM

#279

David Sklansky

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Except it doesn't matter if geekism is worse than racism or whether a geek would trade places with a random black person. Those were just throwaway lines to accentuate the point. Which is that if someone is saying something you don't like, its not an excuse to make fun of one of their deficits.

09-22-2014 , 03:51 PM

#280

spanktehbadwookie

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

The thread title is about racism, emotions, politics, and correctness. I have brought all these with my posts and I even mention political correctness as a concept in the thread.

Putting systemic racism on an even higher pedestal doesn't seem like a compromise position and that it is related to emotion. We are on topic as ever in unchained.

09-22-2014 , 03:55 PM

#281

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Honestly I can't follow the thread of your posts spank so I'm going to assume it's the same as DS in that in the course of a conversation one shouldn't compound using terrible language such as calling someone mentally ******ed, or Down Syndrome, etc just because they say something dumb, or racist, or whatever. That seems fine by me.

09-22-2014 , 04:03 PM

#282

Dids

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Putting systemic racism on an even higher pedestal

You know how lots of people pointed out you're using this phrase incorrectly?

You notice how you still keep doing it?

You're not interested in communication, you're interested in attention.

09-22-2014 , 04:07 PM

#283

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Originally Posted by Dids

You know how lots of people pointed out you're using this phrase incorrectly?

You notice how you still keep doing it?

You're not interested in communication, you're interested in attention.

I disagree it is being used incorrectly. It is a fine metaphor for the situation. I agree to disagree on this point and persistent accusatory tone and disposition.

09-22-2014 , 05:21 PM

#284

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

DS is not people.

It doesn't matter. Political correctness applies even if it a fictional person.

If aspergers qualifies (and I'm struggling to see why it doesn't) that we should make the extra effort not to mock.

09-22-2014 , 05:47 PM

#285

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It doesn't matter. Political correctness applies even if it a fictional person.

If aspergers qualifies (and I'm struggling to see why it doesn't) that we should make the extra effort not to mock.

Is it really political?

It is a social situation that is understandable from another person's perspective. What exactly is political about it? Isn't really an individual judgement call about how to behave rather than something to argue and vote upon?

Odd to think on the Internet forums more sublime prejudices become more easily obvious. The more obvious prejudices rarely directly apply to a person.

It is hard to use a racial slur at person if you can't be certain what color they are. I think this maybe a factor why systemic racism seems emotionally coveted. To compensate for racism being less obvious on the internet.

09-22-2014 , 05:51 PM

#286

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Is it really political?

If people with Aspergers are part of a socially disadvantaged group then its covered by PC.

I'm struggling to see why not?

09-22-2014 , 05:56 PM

#287

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It doesn't matter. Political correctness applies even if it a fictional person.

DS is a person. I am glad we have him around.

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If aspergers qualifies (and I'm struggling to see why it doesn't) that we should make the extra effort not to mock.

It absolutely qualifies. The thing is we generally mock each other because it is a way to jokingly improve each other (or just to point out differences as a bonding exercise).

Kind of like how playing catch improves hand eye coordination. Mocking someone with Asperger's is like throwing a ball repeatedly at a blind person. At some point you should probably notice that something is wrong and stop unless you are a complete ****.

Of course it is perfectly fine to be a complete **** towards *******s.

09-22-2014 , 05:59 PM

#288

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

If people with Aspergers are part of a socially disadvantaged group then its covered by PC.

I'm struggling to see why not?

Okay. It is not just political. It is also social. It is really also educational. Is that fair?

09-22-2014 , 06:09 PM

#289

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

It absolutely qualifies. The thing is we generally mock each other because it is a way to jokingly improve each other (or just to point out differences as a bonding exercise).

That can be fine. We can easily imagine it not being at all jocular.

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Kind of like how playing catch improves hand eye coordination. Mocking someone with Asperger's is like throwing a ball repeatedly at a blind person. At some point you should probably notice that something is wrong and stop unless you are a complete ****.

Its tricky because we're talking about a wide range. It may be worse for those who can catch a few of the balls while at the same time making it harder to recognise the condition.

09-22-2014 , 06:16 PM

#290

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I enjoy making fun of racists. I hope that making fun of them does damage them, decreasing their chances of having sex, procreating and raising children to believe the same stupid ideas.

Some say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

09-22-2014 , 06:18 PM

#291

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If spank is right, I should actually be abusing racists MORE than I have been. I've probably been way on the nice side of optimal racist cockblocking via hurt feelings. I'm such a fish.

Last edited by 13ball; 09-22-2014 at 06:20 PM. Reason: cockblocking isn't cockblocked? Solid.

09-22-2014 , 06:22 PM

#292

Peter Porker

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Originally Posted by 13ball

John Lennon is rolling in his grave.

09-22-2014 , 06:23 PM

#293

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by 13ball

I like leading off at dinner parties with a claim that is has been demonstrated that racists are less intelligent than nonracists. I usually have a few copies of the research studies that show this.

This limits the amount of racist crap that is stated, and I get to feel smug.

09-22-2014 , 06:26 PM

#294

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Don't they just quote you the Daily Mail?

09-22-2014 , 06:33 PM

#295

13ball

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

I demonstrate that **** with my words!

09-22-2014 , 06:37 PM

#296

13ball

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Originally Posted by Peter Porker

John Lennon is rolling in his grave.

No he isn't. Cremated.

But I teach my daughters not to date racists. Is that mean?

(I think it is. And I'm happy to do it. Maybe, if you succeed in procreating, you can teach your daughters to date racists exclusively to make up for it.)

09-22-2014 , 06:38 PM

#297

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Originally Posted by 13ball

If spank is right, I should actually be abusing racists MORE than I have been. I've probably been way on the nice side of optimal racist cockblocking via hurt feelings. I'm such a fish.

If spank is right there is a time and place for just about everything.

Is it a fair guess that it makes you feel better to think you are inspiring voluntary racist eugenics?

Have you considered the notion it is likely the people who seek to spread the racist environment and lie to children about humanity are totally indifferent to your method?

An indifferent racist with guile might even mimic that style to do some political hustling. An indifferent person with no regard for humanity might mimic that style for sport.

Is racism child abuse or neglect?

09-22-2014 , 06:43 PM

#298

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Originally Posted by Peter Porker

John Lennon is rolling in his grave.

John Lennon may have had a philosophical bent which over- fought violence to an unhealthy point of denial, but I doubt he would totally dehumanize and sterilize any person with words for being mistaken. Well maybe in song form. It is more a comedy schtick than one of oration or song.

09-22-2014 , 06:46 PM

#299

Peter Porker

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Originally Posted by 13ball

Nothing mean about that, and I do the same with my daughter. Are you really trying to smear me as racist because I pointed out that John Lennon would be disgusted by you associating that song with a pro-hate message? That's pretty odious.

09-22-2014 , 06:49 PM

#300

13ball

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Is it a fair guess that it makes you feel better to think you are inspiring voluntary racist eugenics?

It doesn't make me feel worse.

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Have you considered the notion it is likely the people who seek to spread the racist environment and lie to children about humanity are totally indifferent to your method?

Irrelevant. If I've decreased the chances of one racist procreating by ~.044 percent then I'm in the 99th percentile in terms of human internet accomplishments.

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An indifferent racist with guile might even mimic that style to do some political hustling. An indifferent person with no regard for humanity might mimic that style for sport.

It takes indifferent strokes to move the world.

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Is racism child abuse or neglect?

Is encouraging the viewing of Star Wars abuse or neglect?

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