I assume you'd have to selectively quote the apology because it's something like 'I'm sorry'-'that you're all huge ****** **** loving ****** that sit around and jerk each other off all day.'

Agreed but some from the beginning have taken the worst possible spin on everything and continue to do so. Also remember he didn't come back even when the green was restored, it was never much about the green itself.

Going back to the beginning it was about trying to explain what he meant in a very provocative and increasingly heated environment. Of course it could have been handled better but not just by Bruce.

I personally took liberal estrogen loving butt buddy in the loving spirit in which it was intended.

Figured the doxxing threats were just joshing around.

Wistfully musing about lucky duck slaves was just some good philosophy talk.

Mexicans, cockroaches, and circus music, just a wonderful celebration of Entomology and culture.

No one else was responsible for what he posted, the only appropriate response was to step back at the time apologise and try and resolve, the moment he didn't he was ****ed and it was very unlikely the result turns out any different.

I've never suggested Bruce was the only one at fault but he was the only one who could have resolved it by taking different steps than the ones he did.

And while I'm on it the arguments from those posters, who were backing Bruce, in failing to recognise this, did nothing and does nothing to help. I know you've said to move on and you're pointing at posters here but you get to do that, you get to drop it and move on unilaterally if you choose to. Where are the posters who came to these forums over this fallout in threads that aren't about racism and why does it seem the same posters just want to deal in vague generalities.

It's weird that Bruce's heartfelt and sincere apology that nobody can see resulted in... him getting banned because all the other mods were furious. That's kind of a weird response from them.

chez, Brian, the other SMPers, they sometimes like to pretend it was just like me, Trolly, and LG who somehow did this. I barely posted about it at the time.

We make fun of chezlaw and friends about it, yeah, but we weren't the people who Bruce had a problem with. Bruce had a problem with non-politics mods.

chezlaw, do you think it's possible that your performance as Bruce's PR consigliere MAY have been negatively impacted by your delusional understanding of the conflict? As in, you never acknowledged that he posted anything objectionable, you invented this weird "Bruce's abusive threats were OK because he was mad" self-negating defense of the doxxing stuff, that sort of thing?

Basically, one of Bruce's biggest missteps may have been relying on a ****ing SMP poster for advice. We all know SMP posters never have any ****ing idea what they are talking about.

So you want to point a finger here, find a mirror.

Grunching.

Was Bruce Z ever a winning poker player?

All this time I misunderstood how apologies work. I thought the person you hurt had to hear them. This way seems much easier.

I sincerely apologize to all the people I've inconvenienced, hurt, or damaged who don't post on or read 2p2. I regret my actions. I accept responsibility for the harm I've done, there are no excuses. I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Clean slate baby!

Huh? I blamed Bruce and no one else. How everyone else reacted was easily predictable, and as an adult, he ought to have easily picked a course of action that would have led to whatever result he desired.

I am just here because I enjoy you all a great deal in various ways. It is like being in a badly written sitcom.

I think the confusion comes from the little known fact that "apologize" is its own opposite, like "cleave." It's a lesser known definition, but to apologize can also mean "to vehemently demand and apology from."

Thanks! I'm a big fan of yours. I know you take some heat, but I think you actually elevate the discourse here. I know I always feel wittier and more erudite whenever I read your posts.


Like this one . Stay classy, Brian

LOL this is funny because I'm pretty sure it was chezlaw who FLIPPED OUT when someone used "apologize" in its actual secondary definition of "advocate/defend/argue in favor of", as in

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2149

He was angry at the person who used it that way because he thought that person was trying to imply that chezlaw had admitted Bruce did anything wrong!

Now, apparently, Bruce has himself admitted he did something wrong.

Really hate how jibs/foldn/pipes/etc dance around it and be cutesy type racism is tolerated. It's almost as bad as BruceZ's blatant racism was. At least he was man enough to just come out and say he's horrible, this whole tap dance about how "I'm a huge racists I'm just going to be cute about it" is nearly as tilting as the outright racism itself. Just my two cents and I have no interest engaging any of you horrible people so don't even try.

Wookie was responding to "So you are gonna apologize for that or what?" and played a word game. He can score the point if he wants to but it's nothing to do with anything.

Of course Bruce admitted he had done something wrong and he apologised for it. Wookie knows that, I know that and I've gone on about it enough that even you might have noticed.

lol no, it was definitely not worth trying. You personally made things much, much worse for Bruce, and you continue to do so with a truly bewildering combination of dedication and obtuseness. The only reason you don't feel any guilt is because to this day you still do not understand what happened or appreciate your key role in it all.

No big surprise from you, that's a pretty standard zigzag

but of course you don't know the details either.

Is there some detail I'm missing which forces you to keep posting about this topic?

Any advice other than apologize, express contrition, and ignore posts out of SMP and probability while everything blows over was terrible.

But sure, you probably had super secret details that made a different course of action seem more prudent.

Bruce didnt really do this either, but yeah, I respect someone like Silverman more than the kind of poster that you mentioned.

Lololololololol. I wasn't trying to trap you at all.

If Bruce listened to Cheeselaw's advice then not only he was a racist ****, he was just plain stupid.

What's that got to do with whether it was worth making the effort with Mat to find a constructive way forward?

Chez, why are you even here?

The best way forward for you has always been for you to stop posting about it.

Maybe so maybe not. I didn't realise you had responded with that use of the word apologies. If it gets a big laugh then fair enough.

We may be close to that. If it's restricted to this thread then it's probably soon over.