Ah, you're right. I may have to settle for table games coming to Philly and having a stop there .

Here is my 2cents on I would like to see some "deep"(1kmax buy in) 2-5nl tables at borgata in the future. I live in nyc and and I am by no means a "regular" at borgata, but I do come down for almost every big trny series and sometimes on weekends. In the past I played 2-5 but I found that the game was too small for me, so I moved up to 5-10. However the problem is, in a lot of ways, that game is too big for me. When you guys run tournaments, the poker room is absoultley packed. This is great, but can be frustrating sometimes. I walk into the poker room and see about 30 2-5 tables, but all of them are max 500 buy in. Also, in these games, you see people who have amassed huuuge stacks (3k,4k, sometimes even 5k), yet you can only buy in for 500. I don't know but I feel like I am not the only one caught in the akward drop off between 5-10 and 2-5. I am not saying to make all of the 2-5 tables deep. But I would love to see you guys try out a few deep 2-5tables(especially during the tournament times when the room is packed). thanks

-Will


-P.S. please read this stan ;D

I see some people saying:

1) the 2-5 max buy in should be 1K (blanket statement)

2) there should be a 2-5 max 1K option (In the form of say...2 tables? Or 3, whatever).

The only way for a 1K to work would be option 1. The games get sick deep stacked as it is and having them even more so will (without question) scare away half the players. Soon it will be 80% deep stack grinders.

I am however in favor of option 2. There seem to be at least (7) 2-5 games going at all times. I think offering a 2-5 (1K Max) table (or 2) would be very nice. I'd also be in favor of these games having a $400 min. If you want deep stack tables, you have to keep the short stackers out as well. 400-1K or even 500-1K sounds awesome.

I agree that there is a fairly large gap between 2/5 and 5/10, versus the much smaller leap of 1/2 to 2/5.

Adjusting not only for playing style, but simple bankroll requirements are so vastly different between 2/5 and 5/10.

I think the main reason they do not put a deeper 2/5 game is that they do not want to take away from their 5/10 action. Borg is the only place in AC that runs consistent 5/10 games, and will have 5-6 games running on a good weekend (9+ on WPT times)

That's an extremely fair point. I'm sure they would lose SOME 5-10 players.

Plus, are there ANY 1K max games in AC? It's not like the $500 is unheard of. Please don't say Bally's (or whoever) is 1K max....cause that runs like once a month...if that.

Would I like a table or two of deep stack 2-5? Absolutely. Would I think less of the Borgata if it stays 2-5 (500)...absolutley not. The place is the nuts.

Is the time charge that much more at 5/10 that the Borgata would be concerned with spreading deep-stacked 2/5 as an alternative? Seems like the profit to Borgata would be pretty close, and it could give more 2/5 players the experience (and appetite) to move up.

Do the other card rooms spread 2/5 with a higher max?

There are no other regular games in AC with a higher max buy in for 2/5.

Time charge wise would be no difference because 2/5 is $5 a half, and 5/10 is $6 a half. What are they going to do? Make you bring the silver dollars to the table and charge $5.50?

Only consistent deep stacked games I've ever seen are in Vegas (both capped and uncapped games) and uncapped games in Tunica

The only 4 strip casinos that got 3+ tables of 2-5 last two times I was there (Nov '08 and Oct '09) were Caesars, Bellagio, Wynn and Venetian.

The Bellagio is $500 max and The V is 1K. I can't speak to Caesars or Wynn but 1K isn't even the standard at one of the busiest 2-5 rooms (Bellagio). I don't think there are ANY uncapped 2-5 games in LV....unless maybe Binions

The Taj has a 5/5 that has a $1000 max, but I don't know how often it goes. I don't think it goes too often.

Yes, in that instance, ten Survivor players would each receive $1,500.
This past Sunday, (a holiday weekend), 68 players entered the 11AM $150+$30 Survivor tourney. So, six players collected $1,500 and the 7th player received $1,200.
Survivor is a very popular game during major (2-3 week tournaments) events but it seems to be somewhat less appealing during regular weeks.
You can find the number of tournament entrants on various days by scrolling back through this thread and reading Stan's "Ruler of the East" postings.
Good luck.

Your best post to date, howzit.

+1

Why not run a few 5-5NL tables with $1000 buy in- they've done it at Harrah's before, and like someone said above- at the Taj.

I find the action is much different because of the deep stacks, and the game runs a lot looser actually. Might be a nice compromise for someone who is inbetween the 2/5 and 5/10.

+1

i don't play 2/5 or NL for that matter, but what about making it $750 max buy in?

I do not know for sure, but I have heard that the NJ CCC fixes the max per game, hence the consistency from casino to casino. In Vegas the casinos set the max buy in for their games -- ie. mgm has a 200 max on 1-2 (which is horrible btw) and 500 max 2-5 while the rio is 300max 1-2 and no max 2-5 . If it were not fixed in NJ, i would assume we would see some 200 max 1-2's or even 1k max 2-5's, seems like the casinos do not have a choice in the matter

If that is the case, then how come Bally's has a 2/5 NLHE game with a $200 - $1000 buy in?

Lee

Is this Lee from UPF?

Also they spread a 1/3, while the other casinos have 1/2

lmao if you really think it'll be 80% deep stack grinders. this game would just be sick good. the buy-in might scare off some fish, but it'll also scare off some of the regs. a lot of the regs at the Borgata are awful, awful, awful and buy in for like 3-400. There are maybe 3 or 4 players in the room I wouldn't want at a deep stacked 2/5 game with me, where there are more I wouldn't want at a 500 cap game because they're nits. at least in the deeper games, they can make bigger mistakes for more money.

Look guys, it's merely a suggestion. I love the borgata just as much as all of you. I will be there many times this year wether or not this idea is ever implemented, I just think it would be nice and I don't think I'm the only one.

so how many people were in Wednesday's $100+20 tournament?

I'm gong to agree with Mason Malmuth, deep buyins are a mistake. They deplete the fish pool and make the game less fun for recreational players.

Are you inferring that all of the 40+ players are soft spots?

No need to increase the 2-5 buyin. Fish tend to stick around at Borg when they chip up. And then they lose it all. Plus, when they buy in for $500, and then lose $200 of it, they go into "Fk it" mode with that last $300 and it's dusted off more often than not. When I played at Venetian this summer during the series, poor players who bought in for the 1k max were not as careless after they lost 1/2 their stack as the Borg's poor players.

Also, the Caesar's LV 2-5 game was uncapped, and it was a crappy game. Went on a Friday night in June and they maxed out at 5 games and they were anything but deepstacked games. The Rio had a $500 cap 2-5 with many players doing the $10 button straddle, so it was like playing 5-10 w 50bb stacks...it stunk.

100bb cap for the 2-5 game, with no button straddle/no straddles at all, lengthens the time it takes for bad players to go broke.

while i agree with Mason and dima, and being that I consider myself a serious ameture I really would tend to avoid these games, becuase i'm not properly rolled to play deep 6 handed 2/5 and because the last thing I want is the borgata turning into Full tilt 6 max...no thanks!

However, everyone who is protesting should realize that having one of these games can't do much harm to the 2/5 or 5/10 action....I guess it would hurt the 5/10 action more on off peak times

not a bad suggestion but also while I don't consider myself a fish as I am a small winner at NLHE cash, I don't consider myself competent enough to win consistantly at deepstack 6 max at that level. So keep that in mind when you are talking about not just scaring off fish, but mediocre players such as myself