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As far as I can tell mypokerintel only works for UB. Anyone know any other good sites like this that work for other poker rooms?

I'm a little paranoid these days at UB and what you wrote could very well be true. Here is a gem from tonight...I know this isn't high stakes and a lot of the players are fairly bad, but people are almost never calling all in with queen high and no draw on an ace high board for $40 more. He did not snap call this either, he paused for 4 or 5 seconds like he was actaully thinking about the hand. Very interesting imo



UltimateBet $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

HERO (BTN/SB): $172.80
PSYCHIC (): $55.50
XXXXXXXXX (): $63.85
XXXXXXXXX (): $98.50
XXXXXXXXX (): $20.95
XXXXXXXXX (BB): $70.30

Pre Flop: HERO is BTN/SB with 7 6

Turn: ($1.50) (2 players)
PSYCHIC raises to $3.50, XXXXXXX folds, XXXXXXX calls $3.50, XXXXXXXX calls $3.50, XXXXXXXX folds, HERO calls $3.50

Flop: ($15.50) 6 7 A
HERO checks, PSYCHIC bets $14.50, XXXXXXXX folds, XXXXXXXXX folds, HERO raises to $58, PSYCHIC calls $37.50 all in

Turn: ($119.50) A (-2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($119.50) K (-2 players - 1 is all in)

Does Hellmuth own a piece of Ultimate Bet? I was trying to find out what date Absolute acquired UB, and couldn't, but I stumbled across this article which says that PH and Annie Duke 'are believed to own a piece of Ultimatebet'. I'm not sure how reliable the site is.

Just because Absolute have bought UB, it doesn't necessarily mean that PH and AD don't still own a piece of it themselves, if it was part of their original deal.

Or he could've routed his connection around the world in order to hide... or read the hands from database server in which I doubt they're using hand converter

ClubChamp - that post really doesn't belong in here (sigh)

This whole thing is based around river decisions (when he can see your holecards and can make the correct decision), not flop decisions (where he still doesn't know what is coming).

All these players were last seens MONTHS ago, maybe the scamming efforts(since the AP bombshell) have become more sophisticated. These sites know the poker community is on the lookout for players who kill the games with high river aggression numbers. I hope you don't believe a player who murders the games with near infinite river aggression will show up again...


Hairballs brings up a good point...what if they developed software that let them see the future cards. The high river aggression stats that were red flags before are now gone and they will still be able to kill the games. Most people will just wave it off as "the donk got lucky" and the site will have nothing to worry about. I think the hand I posted would fit right in that category.

Club...this kind of random speculation does nobody any good. Please stop. If you take a few minutes to go here http://ultimatebet.com/support/random-number-generator you will find that UB does not even use a PRNG but uses random numbers based on thermal noise in an electrical circuit. This, imo, is a much more robust method of generating random numbers and makes it exceedingly unlikely that someone would be able to predict future cards.

rubbrband,
can you post the entire pt stats? looks suspicious but tough to tell without sample size.

Not if they create the whole stub before the deal. No more random events for the hand.

did you read the link?

"The algorithm used to select the next card to be dealt absolutely assures that every remaining card in the deck is exactly equally likely to be chosen. "

This would seem to indicate that the RNG is used for each card and not once before the hand is started.

Too bad AP doesn't have this information on their site.

Has anyone tried to get their HH from UB? They sent me HH on 2 sessions I played with NYmobser, but I have sent 5 requests for HH on 3 sessions I played with Sleeplesss, and they have completeley ignored me. Needless to say, I got hammered in all 5 sessions with these guys. Just wondering if anyone has a similar experience.

How do we know they are telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but, they may as well tell me they pick their random numbers using static left over from the big bang

UB support is pretty incompetent. I've emailed asking for HH's and have had waits up to 5 days before they send them.

i gave up on trying to get lost sessions after they told me they no longer sent out hh.

this was monthes ago. i emailed them immediately after my session, just had forgot to open the hh window for import.

Can you muppets with your RNG conspiracy theories post them elsewhere, and not clutter this thread with your rubbish until you have some evidence to support them?

Seriously, this entire last page should be deleted. It is nothing but crap. If you dont have any solid theories or evidence to post, DONT POST AT ALL.

OTOH, the sheer volume of posts in the old AP scandal had to have had some affect of AP's decision to finally address the problem. More noise will not hurt the cause, only help it.

Cliffnotes anyone?

They still do send out HH's, I always explain that it's their software that is the problem. Some hands do not get recorded, usually when my internet goes out for even five or ten seconds, the hand histories stop getting recorded at that table. I would have to leave and come back to the table in order to get them. Also when someone leaves in the middle of a hand then the history does not get recorded.

You're psychic, bro. You should've saw it coming.

this should be in bbv ya dbag, this is why people are less likely to take this whole thing as serious as it is

lol ClubChamp pmed me about that guy because I'm a reg at his stakes and I told him it's just a fish running hot. Some things to consider ClubChamp:

Why would someone who knows exactly what cards will be coming only play 24% of his hands?

Why would someone with said capabilities donk it up at NL$100?

This is a thread where ppl are discussing possibly being scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Coming here to talk about a tagfish you've lost 4 or 5 buys to at NL$100 is completely absurd.
Seriously dude.

/flame