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02-26-2013 , 06:06 PM
great graphs and spectacular thread enhancers - definitely subbed. GL man
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02-26-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ugnnagtrkd
I think people have done worse than sitting out at high stakes, not gonna make a habit out of it though, I was curious about how fast they pick up on it. For the JJ hand I would like to know the line you take. 4b/fold pre, 4b/call pre, bet/fold flop, check flop, bet or call turn? I realise that the I'm doing very poorly against a range of QQ+ AXs, sets etc but in this scenario I had a flashback to a hand played very similarly to this and my gut feeling was that I'm ahead. Do you never follow intuition or in less marginal spots? I would definitely appreciate your input, I'll promise not to tease sharks in exchange.
They have the luxury of playing a game for a living and making much more money than they could in the ''real world''. Some are also lucky (in relation to the stakes they play and their skill level). They set their own hours, don't work for anyone and sit waiting at a computer all day to take advantage of anyone they think has inferior skill to themselves. Making them cream their pants with excitement when you sit at a table is perfectly acceptable imo. This is the internet.... not really a ''job'' is it? For the money these guys make in what is undoubtedly one of the most self-serving ''jobs'' imaginable i see absolutely no reason why more people shouldn't **** with them. Make them jizz all over their keyboards every time your online.
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02-26-2013 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ugnnagtrkd
I think people have done worse than sitting out at high stakes, not gonna make a habit out of it though, I was curious about how fast they pick up on it. For the JJ hand I would like to know the line you take. 4b/fold pre, 4b/call pre, bet/fold flop, check flop, bet or call turn? I realise that the I'm doing very poorly against a range of QQ+ AXs, sets etc but in this scenario I had a flashback to a hand played very similarly to this and my gut feeling was that I'm ahead. Do you never follow intuition or in less marginal spots? I would definitely appreciate your input, I'll promise not to tease sharks in exchange.
I think 4bet/call pre is totally acceptable with his stats as they are. The problem with calling is your range is pretty capped and the button always comes a long and you have a hand that doesn't really flop particularly well in a multiway pot and you are fairly face up. Generally you don't want to introduce ranges into your game plan that are face up enough to be easily exploitable, especially vs someone who seems reasonably adept (ie not a fish)

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Originally Posted by PaulFck'nNewman
They have the luxury of playing a game for a living and making much more money than they could in the ''real world''. Some are also lucky (in relation to the stakes they play and their skill level). They set their own hours, don't work for anyone and sit waiting at a computer all day to take advantage of anyone they think has inferior skill to themselves. Making them cream their pants with excitement when you sit at a table is perfectly acceptable imo. This is the internet.... not really a ''job'' is it? For the money these guys make in what is undoubtedly one of the most self-serving ''jobs'' imaginable i see absolutely no reason why more people shouldn't **** with them. Make them jizz all over their keyboards every time your online.
You seem to disagree with every single post I make but I'll try to make my point. Most of these 'lucky' people have actually put a huge amount of hours of work into their game, and if people did this to you you'd be annoyed. Since OP obv isn't a pro, but still a reg who plays poker to make money I think it's kind of stupid to troll people and affect their hourly when he would get very annoyed if people did the same to him. Arguing that it's fine because they are rich is also completely irrelevant. If a fish did it then it would be slightly justifiable, but any reg doing it is just bad form imo.
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02-26-2013 , 09:28 PM
Seems harmless enough. But also incredibly childish.
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02-26-2013 , 09:59 PM
Unless OP is doing that all the time I think there s nothing to it. If OP does that all the time it's laughably ******ed. I doubt it's the latter tho so...

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02-26-2013 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by XMenCypher
great graphs and spectacular thread enhancers - definitely subbed. GL man



Thanks cypher


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Originally Posted by PaulFck'nNewman
They have the luxury of playing a game for a living and making much more money than they could in the ''real world''. Some are also lucky (in relation to the stakes they play and their skill level). They set their own hours, don't work for anyone and sit waiting at a computer all day to take advantage of anyone they think has inferior skill to themselves. Making them cream their pants with excitement when you sit at a table is perfectly acceptable imo. This is the internet.... not really a ''job'' is it? For the money these guys make in what is undoubtedly one of the most self-serving ''jobs'' imaginable i see absolutely no reason why more people shouldn't **** with them. Make them jizz all over their keyboards every time your online.

Well there's always two sides to it. When you think that people like z0mg play 10/20 I see the good side of poker players. On the other hand there is a lot of scum in high stakes poker with many scamming, grimming stories associated with them. Those are in the minority though but they make the most waves, hence the reputation most players seem to get.




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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
I think 4bet/call pre is totally acceptable with his stats as they are. The problem with calling is your range is pretty capped and the button always comes a long and you have a hand that doesn't really flop particularly well in a multiway pot and you are fairly face up. Generally you don't want to introduce ranges into your game plan that are face up enough to be easily exploitable, especially vs someone who seems reasonably adept (ie not a fish)


You seem to disagree with every single post I make but I'll try to make my point. Most of these 'lucky' people have actually put a huge amount of hours of work into their game, and if people did this to you you'd be annoyed. Since OP obv isn't a pro, but still a reg who plays poker to make money I think it's kind of stupid to troll people and affect their hourly when he would get very annoyed if people did the same to him. Arguing that it's fine because they are rich is also completely irrelevant. If a fish did it then it would be slightly justifiable, but any reg doing it is just bad form imo.

At these stakes I think you're right, I do have AA KK QQ in my range in spots where people think it would be capped though so I'm not too worried about balancing this particular part at higher stakes. As a general rule people turn up with TT JJ here very often so my range is indeed face up. As played pre, I don't dislike my play on the flop but will make it a squeeze spot more often. I do squeeze as well so this hand is more unusual than what I would normally do. Really appreciate your input.

As for the 2000NL stunt it's a one time deal and I didn't want conversation to turn around it anyways.




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Seems harmless enough. But also incredibly childish.

Yes this, inner child is strong but not ******ed.




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Originally Posted by blakkman08
Unless OP is doing that all the time I think there s nothing to it. If OP does that all the time it's laughably ******ed. I doubt it's the latter tho so...

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Not sure if JJ hand or 2kNL fun lol. Both situation are exceptions to the rule anyways. I think of myself as respectful and appreciate others who act the same way. There was no ill intent.
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02-27-2013 , 07:36 AM
Lol meant The 2knl Thing Sry was Late
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02-27-2013 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
I think 4bet/call pre is totally acceptable with his stats as they are. The problem with calling is your range is pretty capped and the button always comes a long and you have a hand that doesn't really flop particularly well in a multiway pot and you are fairly face up. Generally you don't want to introduce ranges into your game plan that are face up enough to be easily exploitable, especially vs someone who seems reasonably adept (ie not a fish)



You seem to disagree with every single post I make but I'll try to make my point. Most of these 'lucky' people have actually put a huge amount of hours of work into their game, and if people did this to you you'd be annoyed. Since OP obv isn't a pro, but still a reg who plays poker to make money I think it's kind of stupid to troll people and affect their hourly when he would get very annoyed if people did the same to him. Arguing that it's fine because they are rich is also completely irrelevant. If a fish did it then it would be slightly justifiable, but any reg doing it is just bad form imo.
I didn't even notice it was you who made that post to the OP. I'm not purposely disagreeing with you haha, And yea i thought my post came across tongue in cheek. I was just saying that anyone making that kind of money doesn't have too many problems if their biggest one is some micro player ****in with them ha . Obviously anyone doing this everyday is a moron ha.
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02-27-2013 , 11:46 AM
I know what you're gonna say, you shouldn't quit a session just to book a profit. The thing is, I shouldn't even be playing, I'm in the middle of my midterms so I decided to quit after only 21 minutes today. Ran hot hot hot at 100NL for my biggest day once again in this challenge.



Really ran amazing, got in AA twice preflop to give you an idea. Once against AKhh, once against TT. The first one was one of the 4 first hands dealt to me. Flopped a straight once with Q10s, turned trips with J10, checked back 55 on AK6 in a 3 way pot and turned my 5. Don't feel like I've earned it but I did play well for all other hands so I'm not gonna beat myself up about it. I'll get to prove myself at 100NL another day.



Win % at showdown anyone?

Finally above 0$ for my showdown line again! I'm running well but I've been being very careful with bluffing in the wrong spots so it's not going down for no reason either.




100NL starting to fit in. Would be pretty sexy to keep it above 10bb/100 over 10k hands. Just have to run hot like jesus and never lose.



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Forgot this , bankroll is above 2K

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02-27-2013 , 02:09 PM
wow, sick winrates!

...and that redline
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02-27-2013 , 05:46 PM
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wow, sick winrates!

...and that redline


Thank you sir
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02-27-2013 , 06:55 PM
Wow... just saw this **** go down. 2 Players get dealt into milestone hand at 50c-1$ limit HU, one of the has like 3 big bets, min raises, the other disconnects and the guy wins by default.

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02-27-2013 , 07:43 PM
you have to take into consideration that some of these players don't even know the promo is going on and they just fold their hand sometimes when they see all ins before them - they obv shouldn't because the VPPs from the hand are included in the payout. I hit a milestone hand last year and won it, that was sick
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02-27-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by XMenCypher
you have to take into consideration that some of these players don't even know the promo is going on and they just fold their hand sometimes when they see all ins before them - they obv shouldn't because the VPPs from the hand are included in the payout. I hit a milestone hand last year and won it, that was sick
lol... more like they really shouldnt... because they can get double the amount of cash if they win the hand!!!

I was one of the muppets who was sat out when the milestone hand was dealt at my table a couple of years ago

think it was only for like $150-$200ish at 10nl tables
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02-28-2013 , 11:34 AM
So I'm not gonna be playing today at all since I've got an exam tomorrow. Calling my month today. Here's a small recap.

I started my challenge in January at 25NL. I had to cash out my bankroll to get some urgent expenses off my back. Looked in my fulltilt account and saw that I had 4.30$ from a last small rakeback payment. Decided to start a new challenge at 2NL at the beginning of february, solidifying everything I know and fixing leaks along the way.

After 26 days of play I've reached 100NL and have learned a bit while getting there. Most important part of my process was working hard on fixing my mental game. This allowed me to apply all my knowledge of the game without being hindered by emotions.

Graph from my last post still relevant. (Rocky the showdown warrior)



Final bankroll is 2169.22$ which means a 2164.92$ profit (83.27$/day).

I don't know what 100NL grinders make but I'm hoping to hit 200NL (starting shots at 3600+ most likely) somewhere along the way in March and maybe hit a magical 4000$ profit.

I'll keep this thread updated as usual , wish me luck.
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02-28-2013 , 11:40 AM
You're a monster! ... teach me! I'll give you 50% of my profit!
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02-28-2013 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ph@ntom_f12
You're a monster! ... teach me! I'll give you 50% of my profit!
150% and you've got a deal. If I ever coached someone I'd have to know my game perfectly and also be a better overall player relating to showdown winnings. I understand what showdown players do but they have a better grasp of the mathematics (for the moment). I barely started 100NL so maybe after I've beaten 200NL for a nice sample I'll feel like my advice is worth something. Good luck untilt then.
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02-28-2013 , 02:47 PM
wp sir, will be following
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02-28-2013 , 04:07 PM
Fair enough. I'll just follow this thread and maybe I can discover your secrets.
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02-28-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ugnnagtrkd
150% and you've got a deal. If I ever coached someone I'd have to know my game perfectly and also be a better overall player relating to showdown winnings. I understand what showdown players do but they have a better grasp of the mathematics (for the moment). I barely started 100NL so maybe after I've beaten 200NL for a nice sample I'll feel like my advice is worth something. Good luck untilt then.
what do you think is "a good sample" for seeing if you beat a particular limit? At what limit have you played the most hands?
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02-28-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by XMenCypher
what do you think is "a good sample" for seeing if you beat a particular limit? At what limit have you played the most hands?
No clue. Most likely 100K+ hands should give a little preview. I mean, am I a winning player, probably yeah, but not at the 16bb+/100 that I've pulled for all hands in this challenge.
Most played hands are probably at 25NL although I'd say I'm under 500k hands lifetime for all poker hands, or a bit above.
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03-04-2013 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Update?
Hey, I'm in midterms right now so nothing special in terms of volume. Got about 5k hands at 100NL total now and I'm still playing 50NL as more of a main stake. I'm playing like a monkey tbh at 100NL . I'm definitely spewing a lot these last 2k hands or so, not thinking about showdown at all and not thinking much in general. I'm spending my days studying I don't know how much of my capacity I have after that.

Here's my 100NL graph. Not down much obviously, 1.77 buyins but it was nice being up 500$. Had a bad day today at 100NL too, went up a 100$ or more and then down hard. Skill difference feels like a bigger difference for the moment but I'm not running extremely hot either. For me that means breaking even or better usually at showdown. I'll have to see during my week break if I can get that good mental attitude to stick when sleeping well and playing not tired.



Here's 50NL up to date for comparison



My biggest hand lost at 100NL

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $87.62
Hero (SB): $481.58
BB: $184.33
UTG: $72.65
MP: $128.52
CO: $56.40

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 4 7
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) A K 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, Hero raises to $45, BB calls $35

River: ($104.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $100, BB calls $100

Final Pot: $304.00
Hero shows 4 7 (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
BB shows K 7 (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
BB wins $301.20
(Rake: $2.80)
This guy loves floating, playing 25/19 and folding to 30% of flop cbets. He 3bets a fair amount too so I was excluding AK. I do think it was maybe a bit overplayed but I don't mind it that much. When river pretty much blanks I went big to get a call from Ax bluffcatching turn c/r with flushdraws.

Biggest hand won

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $154.13
SB: $100.00
BB: $150.13
Hero (UTG): $190.08
MP: $126.84
CO: $441.33

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q J
Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($20.50) Q J 4 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($46.50) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $33, Hero calls $33

River: ($112.50) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $94.13 all in, Hero calls $94.13

Final Pot: $300.76
BB shows K K (a pair of Kings)
Hero shows Q J (a flush, Queen high)
Hero wins $297.96
(Rake: $2.80)
Sitting kinda deep in position with a nice suited hand, villain plays 20/18 with a 17% 3b over 116 hands, 20% 3b against EP so I'm definitely defending. Call/call/call as my hand gets better and better.

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $139.16
SB: $75.52
Hero (BB): $309.05
UTG: $110.60
MP: $188.71
CO: $114.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 7 J 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.96, Hero calls $4.96

Turn: ($16.42) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.54, Hero raises to $35, BTN calls $22.46

River: ($86.42) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $266.09 all in, BTN calls $96.20 all in

Final Pot: $278.82
BTN mucks A 8
Hero shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)
Hero wins $276.02
(Rake: $2.80)
Flop the ubernuts, c/c flop since guy is a huge nit 16/11 with a high cbet though. When he snap bets really big on the turn I'm thinking he has some kind of 7 or flush so It's just a matter of getting it in.

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $261.23
Hero (SB): $104.35
BB: $132.07
UTG: $124.73
MP: $130.61
CO: $63.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with T J
1 fold, MP raises to $2.70, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.40) K 9 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4, Hero raises to $16, MP raises to $34.50, Hero raises to $101.65 all in, MP calls $67.15

Turn: ($209.70) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($209.70) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $209.70
Hero shows T J (a straight, Nine to King)
MP shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
Hero wins $206.90
(Rake: $2.80)
Easy game as I stack a team pro. He's pretty nitty usually and very straightforward IMO, low AF and I think this board hits his range pretty well.

Here's a spew hand to show you what I mean when I play badly.

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $74.21
Hero (SB): $101.25
BB: $86.60
UTG: $128.32
MP: $48.31
CO: $105.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 4 4
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 3 Q 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.34, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $9.66

Turn: ($35.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, CO calls $21

River: ($77.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $63.25 all in, CO calls $63.25

Final Pot: $203.50
Hero shows 4 4 (a pair of Fours)
CO shows K Q (a pair of Queens)
CO wins $200.70
(Rake: $2.80)
Here's my updated overall



Slight swongs.



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I have to take notes on my mental game. I read a description of redline which I liked, sorry to the OP I didn't take down your name. I don't think this guy plays high stakes or anything but he put it down in very nice words and I could relate.

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Assuming that OP can sustain his winrate it doesn't mean that at all; In order to do what he is doing, he is certainly being very aggressive, but since he's an overall winner, he's not *over*-aggressive.

Think of it this way: In order to have a positive redline and a flat blueline you have to have a good idea of when you can push your advantage and when you can't. By using a lot of aggression, and never letting people see what you're playing, you leave your starting hands to people's imagination.

This means that people who think you're bluffing may float with weak holdings, leaving themselves in a position that you're more comfortable in than they are. If you're willing to take your bluff one step further than they're willing to call, you take down the pot.

As long as your feel is good enough, i.e., you don't get caught bluffing too many times, you can play on people's fears.

The more common high redline graph you see is a rising red line with an equally falling, or even faster falling blueline. That's an example of someone's being overaggressive. They know how to apply pressure, and thus are taking down non-SD pots, but they don't know how to give up when they're behind, meaning their aggression takes them to losing showdowns (hence the negative blueline).

The above is my personal analysis, and I'm no poker genius, so take it with a grain of salt - but I believe there's validity to my claims.

OP: There is no correlation between red-line and all-in EV. all-in EV relates to blue line only (why? well because all-ins always go to showdown). All-in EV is not so interesting for your style of play, because you're not making your profit playing for stacks. You're making your profit by getting people off of their (to their perception) inferior holdings. There's still luck involved of course (for example, you could get unlucky by going through a streak of consistently running into the top of people's ranges), but it can't be measured by something as simple as all-in ev.

In a way, now that I think about, your style of play is very difficult to be introspective about. Since (if I'm guessing correctly) you have a good feel for when your bluff isn't going to work out, and you're willing to fold to strong play-back, if you do happen to come up against a string of unusually lucky opponents, you may think that they have good reads on you, rather than just having the right cards. This will make downswings more difficult for you, because you won't know what you're getting beat by.

Playing the blueline is easier, because you know when you're getting coolered and can figure out whether you're still playing ok.
Bolded part is a concern for me right now, I feel pretty bad when my plays are not working out at all, sometimes they just have it a lot and there's not much I can do except tone it down maybe. Makes me doubt my game a bit, I'll have to work on it.
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03-04-2013 , 07:46 PM
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Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q J
Hero raises to $2
Are u minraising from every position, or was it a misclick? Solid graph man, keep it going!
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03-04-2013 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PandaLife
Are u minraising from every position, or was it a misclick? Solid graph man, keep it going!
Misclick definitely! I 3x everything apart the from the btn which I 2.5x now at 100NL and 3x at 50NL.

Rostuckod for the day too haha. Just can't keep away from that 100NL, just won 3 buyins.



I could really feel the difference, I'm calm right now and was really thinking things through. Feels so good when you feel in control.

Updated graph with rostucko feel good bonus.



Spoiler:
[x] winning at 100NL again
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