Again, you've under-repped your hand and she's attempting a squeeze. Folding is ******ed, so is flatting OOP. I jam AINEC.

shove... you're not gonna outplay her?


is her name mandy? cuz there is some pokerstars sponsored chick that plays pretty high NL in toronto area. she posts on 2p2 btw.

Back raise to $350

It's an interesting spot. She will probably be able to conclude that you don't have KK+ because:

If you had KK+ in SB, why didn't you 3-bet PF?

That being said, if she is a good LAG, her range is pretty wide. You are ahead of ~50% of her range. For this reason, I think 4-betting is fine. Like I said, she will be suspicious of your raise, and as such, I'd expect you to get called by worse: 99+, and possibly AQs.

If you just call PF, and you miss OTF, she will bet for sure. In which case, you might have to fold the best hand.

Against LAGs you can't be afraid to stack off for 130BBs PF with AK.

+ shove any flop correct?

If she is good I think she must be smart enough to realize its either shove or fold pre for her.

I think back raising is useless. Just shove.

Looks like a squeeze... I don't think you can flat her 3bet with AK out of position. No matter what flops you'll have no idea where you are. However, your stack size makes it tough to 4bet... you'll be committing over half of your stack with decent sizing. Seems like a good place to shove - AA and KK are a very small part of her range, and you're flipping, ahead of, or dominating the rest of her range. She'll probably see it for what it is, and you'll probably pull the pot in uncontested.

I'm totally clueless about why you would consider back raising.

If you see the flop with less than a half pot stack ...

imo, that looks stronger. shoving pretty much tells her you got AK

If your description is accurate she will not flat our 4bet ever.

My thinking is that I want to make it look like I'm playing the Squeeze-Counter-Squeeze game when I have a big hand. Is this too fancy play syndrome? If she's on a squeeze I want to give the impression that I'm making a Counter-squeeze play.

Edit: Now that I read what I wrote ... I must be insane to try this against a world class player.

Sure but you don't mind her folding pairs here.

i've enjoyed reading this thread.

i'm curious, how did you come to the decision to shove the QQ? seems like you were leaning towards a fold

"I has overpair....wheeeee"

Check behind on the turn. Why would you bet the turn against a guy better than you, who might move you off your hand with air?

The remark that she made changed my mind.

Does that make sense to you?

I shove it all in and she snap calls and show AQo????????????????????

I'm kinda stunned for a bit here.

So in the end I see two lines advocated here.


1. BCB... Bet bigger on the flop

Bet 75% on the flop.
Check the turn for pot control.
Bet the river.

2. Small bets... Keep the pot small on the flop

Bet 40% flop
Bet 40% on a good turn
Do something on the river based on the information you got on the first two streets.

The majority of you seem to like the BCB line.

Most of the time I choose the BCB line against the donkeys I play with at 2/5. Against better players I like to keep the pot smaller on the flop and just bet 40% of the flop. On a safe good turn I'll check 50% of the time and 50% of the time I'll make a smallish 40% pot bet.

My cbet and 2nd barrel percentages are quite high.
Probably much higher than most people.
This probably means a Bet Bet line works better for me when I have a hand.

Do you agree/disagree with the line... ... Sometimes I think pot control was a concept created by the high stakes players so they could fry the fish faster.

Lol??? What do you mean our hand is faceup, we bet the flop and now a scary turn we can have every single nut hand in our range.

if she thought this adn could narrow our range so tightly seh would call the turn with her value ahdns.

no

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cocaines a helluva drug


bet flop, b/f turn without any other read. Most people cant c/r turn as a bluff so w/o knowign that she can, its a pretty easy muck. Even if she is c/ring a draw she can ship a lot of rivers and prob has good equity anyways etc etc

I agree most people can't C/R the turn as a bluff.

However I thought I made it clear that...

This villain isn't "Most people" This is a skilled aggressive villain.

If the villain ships the river what do we do? (blank comes/doesn't come)

How did this fizzle? Great discussion here.

as for the original hand she was bluff raising you and i thonk you shoved corectly nh

Why are we potting otf? We'll be missing alot of value from plyrs who think they are bluff-catching but have no balls to call big nets or nits who fold J10-k10 otf. Also he pots the flop then his turn bet will be sig. Bigger which might get a crai if he bets which he may fold and lose more money. I think 1/2-2/3 pot is ample. She could be c/r with J10 or AJ ott since those two hand and q9s only real hands that fit into her p/f flatting range more than likely or she flopped a set and we are fcked. The fact that she usually plays bigger gives me the impression she is c/r alot lighter than she would in the 10/20 game. I think i prefer to cib ott, pot-control, and let her value-own herself with river donk bet when she has aj and u call.

^^^funny, I was just reading this in astonishment wondering why so big? 1/2-3/5 pot has to be called only around 1/2 the time to be profitable and we are gretting called way more than that in LSNL vs making big river bets when we arent sure where villain is and if she will call pot-size bet with A10(or some worse 1-pair hands). Also a line from her of checking ott, we cib, and then crai otr makes absolutely no sense from a perceived winning player-she'd be value-blocker betting with a lead otr OOP rather than crai-thats lol funny to think otherwise.

Going back to the QQ hand, you got REALLY lucky engaging her in conversation.

I find when people are distracted (the 5/10 table call and issue with being 11th on the list), the discussion afterwards is always a truth tell - good job recognizing it and following your instinct to shove!