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04-02-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Wsop action was good tonight, I went up 1.7k.

I am definitely grinding the first two days if the main event to stack tilted tourney donkeys
Are you going to play the ME. One of my real poker buddies is going to enter the main. But he plays mainly tournaments way different player then me.
04-02-2012 , 01:59 AM
TY Garick, I'm trying to frame those reactions in the "risk of ruin" pile, because...that's what they really are...I had a different hand where I was just completely oblivious to the result when I was calling the calling the bluffer guys flop min-ish 3b for the rest of his stack. I had KQs on some two tone 8 high flop my suit, and I knew I was "going broke" on that hand at that point w an overlay in the pot. It was a gamble I was good with, didn't involve any real theatrics on anyone's part, guy had flatted KK ip to my 6bb raise over one limper with ...blah blah blah...(binked flush ott) anyways, the point being that it was the spots where I was the aggressor, no doubt, that got my heart pumping...bet fold and bet call spots.

I again invoked the old man variance avoidance l/rr utg+1 spots where I picked up 31 bucks uncontested with an obviously tight image...lol...it is what it is...
04-02-2012 , 05:20 AM
Two limpers ahead of me, I have AA OTB, I raise to $12, BB calls leaving himself $23 behind, limpers fold. Flop is 967, 2 hearts, BB checks, I ship, he calls with 85o and the flopped straight.



The dealer looks at me, expecting a minor blow up, as I am a known tilt monkey, lol.

I just laughed, though, as that's definitely the best way to get your aces cracked. I said to the BB, nice hand, we're both happy with me losing $30 by getting my aces cracked, and the dealer looked at me like he suspected either a space alien or a mature adult had taken over my body.
04-02-2012 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Two limpers ahead of me, I have AA OTB, I raise to $12, BB calls leaving himself $23 behind, limpers fold. Flop is 967, 2 hearts, BB checks, I ship, he calls with 85o and the flopped straight.



The dealer looks at me, expecting a minor blow up, as I am a known tilt monkey, lol.

I just laughed, though, as that's definitely the best way to get your aces cracked. I said to the BB, nice hand, we're both happy with me losing $30 by getting my aces cracked, and the dealer looked at me like he suspected either a space alien or a mature adult had taken over my body.
Does 'tilt' mean a 4 letter word or a furrowing of your brow?


AA with 175 stack. AA with two limpers to 12. only bb calls. 9 6 5. he checks./ I check because Aces Cracked for 100 is running but didn't think to ask him to check it down. Turn Q. He bets $100 I call. River 6./ He puts me all in. shows 74./

Even getting more than half of my original stack back didn't stop my brow from furrowing.
04-02-2012 , 08:05 AM
I would furrow my brow pretty heavily too if the dealer gave the pot to 7-high when I was holding the ace-ace.
04-02-2012 , 11:08 AM
I made a good comeback yesterday winning 1k.

Serious question for MPethy:

Do you have any advice on how to decide on the river whether to check/call or bet/fold when you have a strong hand but not the nuts? For example, hero has a straight but there are 3 community cards to a flush or hero has a flush but the board is paired.

My biggest leak now is that I plan to bet/fold and can't do the second half. I should probably be check call more but I also don't want to miss value.
04-02-2012 , 11:17 AM
My advice, if you are planning on bet/folding and you are raised then fold
04-02-2012 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
My advice, if you are planning on bet/folding and you are raised then fold
I know! But then I think about pot odds and they might be bluffing and ouch.
04-02-2012 , 11:18 AM
HTJ, do you see a lot of river raises in your game? It's a rarity in most LLSNL games, and even more rare if anyone is doing it as bluff.

With that said, if you can't lay down your hand to a river raise in most games, negating any valid reads, then it's a leak.
04-02-2012 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
HTJ, do you see a lot of river raises in your game? It's a rarity in most LLSNL games, and even more rare if anyone is doing it as bluff.

With that said, if you can't lay down your hand to a river raise in most games, negating any valid reads, then it's a leak.
It's true that big river bets and raises are rare at my level but there are a few players capable of this.
04-02-2012 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Does 'tilt' mean a 4 letter word or a furrowing of your brow?


AA with 175 stack. AA with two limpers to 12. only bb calls. 9 6 5. he checks./ I check because Aces Cracked for 100 is running but didn't think to ask him to check it down. Turn Q. He bets $100 I call. River 6./ He puts me all in. shows 74./

Even getting more than half of my original stack back didn't stop my brow from furrowing.
We've had this conversation. Checking it down IS JUST WRONG EVEN WITH ACES CRACKED.
04-02-2012 , 11:25 AM
Brag: One of the San Jose Sharks played at my table yesterday. His name is Douglas Murray. I'm not a sports nut so I didn't really care so I was just chatting him up like a normal guy. He is from Sweden so I asked him how to say mother****er in Swedish. He said that all the swear words in Swedish translate really weird and that mother****er literally translates to butter-****. Second word is the C-word.
04-02-2012 , 11:27 AM
I've only seen one river bluff raise in llsnl, and that was me.
04-02-2012 , 11:27 AM
They don't **** in Sweden or something?

Think of a nastiest slang for ****, and there you have it...
04-02-2012 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I've only seen one river bluff raise in llsnl, and that was me.
Was it called?
04-02-2012 , 11:29 AM
Oh yeah,

How do I put someone on 'ignore"?
04-02-2012 , 11:29 AM
Yup. Annoying really.
04-02-2012 , 11:35 AM
Umm...Spring...spring game...college football...only 4-5 months away...
04-02-2012 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by High Time John
Oh yeah,

How do I put someone on 'ignore"?
Click on user name > View Public Profile > User Lists > Add to ignore list
04-02-2012 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
Click on user name > View Public Profile > User Lists > Add to ignore list
ty sir.
04-02-2012 , 11:44 AM
I wonder what the Vegas odds would be that Calapari's season will be vacated once again.
04-02-2012 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I've only seen one river bluff raise in llsnl, and that was me.
I have been bluff ch/r 1x and bluff raised 1x and I tank called both just because the plays made no sense at all

I made a terrible bluff last session where I bluff raised the flop and bombed the turn and this guy called with a weak FD and a turned OSED and I checked behind on the river because I figured he couldn't fold aces and jack high won versus my 7 high

FML
04-02-2012 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by High Time John
Oh yeah,

How do I put someone on 'ignore"?
My 2+2-> user control panel -> edit ignore list.

And the hard b/f or b/c decisions are for the top of that range you describe. The very strong, not quite nut hands (like a low flush on a 3flush board). Those are much harder. Generally, I have a very wide planned b/f range on the river.

But I agree the hardest part is the folding. Especially with that top part of your b/f range where you can convince yourself that not only he might be bluffing (he's not though) but he may be doing this for value with some worse hands. When that is true it gets so much harder and I usually spew and call and lose.

Which probably makes b/f in those spots -EV. But maybe not since they call so wide.
04-02-2012 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
I have been bluff ch/r 1x and bluff raised 1x and I tank called both just because the plays made no sense at all
Yea, but most of the time I say "this makes no sense I call", I just find out that my opponent sucks and he doesn't play poker in the same "sensible" way I do.
04-02-2012 , 11:52 AM
lol they were minraises though which makes it all the better

the worst is when I have a huge hand and I get ch/r on the turn or river and I'm like "well maybe he is over valuing a weaker hand!" and I sprint into the nuts

      
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