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04-02-2012 , 11:52 AM
Bart Hanson should be banned from ever talking about math and poker again. Good lord his last podcast was bad.

He basically used pot odds to justify a raise. He said if he had 33% equity he could raise for value and fold to a shove. No bart, just no.
04-02-2012 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Bart Hanson should be banned from ever talking about math and poker again. Good lord his last podcast was bad.

He basically used pot odds to justify a raise. He said if he had 33% equity he could raise for value and fold to a shove. No bart, just no.
Are you usually this impressed with him?
04-02-2012 , 11:55 AM
You talking about the 88 v. AA set over set hand? I seem to remember him making some pretty poor analysis of a raise on LATB about that hand.
04-02-2012 , 11:57 AM
BTW I bought this thread an e-card:

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04-02-2012 , 11:58 AM
Calling river raises is definitely a huge leak. I had a problem with it a few months ago when I rivered second pair. Plugged that baby up to the point that I can usually fold almost anything worse than the nuts.
04-02-2012 , 12:00 PM
Yeah Bart Hanson's math ability is kind of LOL live pro, but I like his podcast alot
04-02-2012 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fold4once
Are you usually this impressed with him?
Usually yeah. He gives a good perspective for a online player trying to play live.
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Originally Posted by jack492505
You talking about the 88 v. AA set over set hand? I seem to remember him making some pretty poor analysis of a raise on LATB about that hand.
Yeah. It's just terrible.

For those of you who don't know. Bart has 88 and calls a 3b IP. Board comes AT5, check check. 7, check check. 8, villain bets a little bit less than pot.

Bart then makes a completely terrible ass backwards use of pot odds. He says that he needs 33% equity for a raise to be good there, which LDO ****ing wrong. You always need 50%+.
04-02-2012 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Calling river raises is definitely a huge leak. I had a problem with it a few months ago when I rivered second pair. Plugged that baby up to the point that I can usually fold almost anything worse than the nuts.
Yeah, folding to river raises is probably the right move 95% of the time.
04-02-2012 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Calling river raises is definitely a huge leak. I had a problem with it a few months ago when I rivered second pair. Plugged that baby up to the point that I can usually fold almost anything worse than the nuts.
Calling with second pair under the old, "he's polarized" justification because he has a narrow value range but no bluff range is a leak that was hard for me to plug. I'm convinced that someone invented that concept just to get me to call river raises with stupid hands.

Always forget that they aren't polarized if they can't be bluffing.
04-02-2012 , 12:02 PM
Are you raising that river ike?
04-02-2012 , 12:06 PM
On another note, I had to put a butter-**** on Ignore today.
04-02-2012 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Are you raising that river ike?
Maybe? Hard to assume what exactly the read is.

The biggest problem is the thought process. You always, always, ALWAYS, need 50% equity to raise for pure value.
04-02-2012 , 12:38 PM
Bart should transcribe his podcasts...his voice puts me to sleep.
04-02-2012 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
But what about the guys you would never think are 2+2'ers. How do you identify them? You pretty much can't, unless they tell you.
they raise you 'bout tree fitty?
04-02-2012 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
Calling with second pair under the old, "he's polarized" justification because he has a narrow value range but no bluff range is a leak that was hard for me to plug. I'm convinced that someone invented that concept just to get me to call river raises with stupid hands.

Always forget that they aren't polarized if they can't be bluffing.
my bad, had a typo in my original post. My river leak was when i had rivered A second pair, as in, I have AJ and the board runs off A874J, for example. Could never lay it down when I made that hand and moved ahead of all the AX two pair hands, despite the fact that the river raise is never worse than a set.
04-02-2012 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Bart Hanson should be banned from ever talking about math and poker again. Good lord his last podcast was bad.

He basically used pot odds to justify a raise. He said if he had 33% equity he could raise for value and fold to a shove. No bart, just no.
let us know when you're a character on the micros, ikestoys
04-02-2012 , 02:33 PM
Funniest thing at the tables this weekend was a fish calculating his odds in a huge pot. It was a huge multi-way pot and his math was "It's 50-50. Either I win or I don't win". He was serious. We all laughed for 5 minutes. Every time someone took 5 seconds for a decision after that, we all said, "It's 50-50." lol
04-02-2012 , 03:03 PM
Man I'm tilted.

Stopped by the casino today and was hungry so I got a sandwich. Then I head over to the poker room and it's noon on monday so there's only $1/2.

I'm like what the hell I'm already here I'll play a few hands even though it's $1/2.

Well, 2 orbits in I have 55 in a limped pot (I'm SB). Flop comes A-T-5 with a flush draw. I get all-in vs A5o for $150 and he rivers the 2-outer. Sigh...

I keep missing every flop for the next hour, until finally I win a stack back when I 3-bet TT from the blinds, fish called me, I decided to play it tricky on a 7-3-3 flop and checked. He checked back. Eventually the board is 7-3-3-5-7, I value ship river and he snap calls AK, MHIG.

After that I lose some more gay hands, then the A5o guy who sucked out on me earlier opens to $6 UTG. I make it $20 with KK, I get one cold-caller, and UTG says "time to go home" and ships for $200-ish. I almost wanted to fold my KK because that speech is always aces, but then I'm like **** it I don't feel like folding. Obv it was AA but I couldn't 2-out him back with 5 cards to go instead of 2.

So I'm down 2 BI and quit because the $2/5 isn't starting anytime soon (if at all) and I'm tilted cause I run like ass.
04-02-2012 , 03:25 PM
Off to the casino zzz.
Wish me rungood


Edit: Take that back. Car won't start rofl.

Last edited by LolPony; 04-02-2012 at 03:34 PM.
04-02-2012 , 03:48 PM
I got KK in against AA twice the other day. Once I got the speech. Once I got the shrug and shove. I called both because they were shortish. I won both .
04-02-2012 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
I got KK in against AA twice the other day. Once I got the speech. Once I got the shrug and shove. I called both because they were shortish. I won both .
Lol, I never care if I get sucked out on but god do I love sucking out on people
04-02-2012 , 03:55 PM
Especially the speech givers. They deserve it.
04-02-2012 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Man I'm tilted.

Stopped by the casino today and was hungry so I got a sandwich. Then I head over to the poker room and it's noon on monday so there's only $1/2.

I'm like what the hell I'm already here I'll play a few hands even though it's $1/2.

Well, 2 orbits in I have 55 in a limped pot (I'm SB). Flop comes A-T-5 with a flush draw. I get all-in vs A5o for $150 and he rivers the 2-outer. Sigh...

I keep missing every flop for the next hour, until finally I win a stack back when I 3-bet TT from the blinds, fish called me, I decided to play it tricky on a 7-3-3 flop and checked. He checked back. Eventually the board is 7-3-3-5-7, I value ship river and he snap calls AK, MHIG.

After that I lose some more gay hands, then the A5o guy who sucked out on me earlier opens to $6 UTG. I make it $20 with KK, I get one cold-caller, and UTG says "time to go home" and ships for $200-ish. I almost wanted to fold my KK because that speech is always aces, but then I'm like **** it I don't feel like folding. Obv it was AA but I couldn't 2-out him back with 5 cards to go instead of 2.

So I'm down 2 BI and quit because the $2/5 isn't starting anytime soon (if at all) and I'm tilted cause I run like ass.
Please check the appropriate box:

[ ] made >$14k at 2/5 in February
[ ] runs like ass

seriously man, even when you run bad, you run good. You realize that you just got two outed and coolered for -$400 when it should have been -$1000, but you luck boxed some run bad while wading in the kiddie pool?

MBFN
04-02-2012 , 04:03 PM
Though irrational, losing at 1/2 tilts me way more than losing higher. But I think its usually because I'm tilted that I was spewing rather than running bad.
04-02-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LolPony
Off to the casino zzz.
Wish me rungood


Edit: Take that back. Car won't start rofl.
Wishing you drive good instead.

      
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