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it could be that the sites are trying to steal focus from each other, as mentioned here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/focus-stealing

youll want to turn off each client's option to bring table to top, and allow SaT to handle it. for example, with merge, make sure this is off:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/carbonoption.png

especially since you mention that you are playing on ipoker. ipoker will definitely fight with SaT since ipoker offers no setting to turn it off

what site's table usually stays at the top?

Lock (Merge) is the problem site for me right now. I believe I did try different settings but will try again. This problem is I have been having is not specific to SaT. Have had the same problem with MergeKeys in the past. Would running the two programs at the same time possibly help? Thanks for you feedback!

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10-29-2011 , 09:05 PM

#3552

greg nice

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running them together should be fine, theres no reason it would "help", but rather it could conflict.

so the Lock table is the one that gets stuck at the top huh? and youve turned off that setting in the image?

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10-29-2011 , 09:34 PM

#3553

3sixes

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 789

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Originally Posted by greg nice

Ya it's def. the Merge software lagging. I tried play some games without SaT running and same problem came up. I then went and made sure the Lock setting was turned off and then turned on the SaT setting on and that fixed the problem but doing it that way kind of messes with my layout ( I have a different type of layout that actualy keeps the registration window in its own slot for faster regging). So at least the pop up problem seems to be fixed which was the major issue! Thanks for your help and I will be sure to recommend SaT to everyone. Later!

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10-30-2011 , 12:19 AM

#3554

greg nice

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ok cool, glad you got it worked out

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10-30-2011 , 04:14 AM

#3555

semesa

adept

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 775

PM'd, I'm using trial ver at the moment because there isn't much point in me buying it if it doesn't work. That being said, if I can get it to work over the 4 platforms I plan on playing it'd be an easy $20/month for me to pay. Does this software work with pokerfest tourneys on party? That is the main thing I'm wanting it for right now as tableninja does not.

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10-30-2011 , 11:39 AM

#3556

greg nice

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i'm not sure what the pokerfest tourneys are on party, i dont think i tested on those, but also i dont see why sat wouldnt work, unless they changed something major

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10-30-2011 , 12:24 PM

#3557

3sixes

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 789

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Originally Posted by semesa

SaT is worth every penny! If you think that it might not work on one of your platforms just keep playing around with it. The amount I can play now on a few different sites is a ton more. I can basically pay for one months subscription with one days rb. Gl!

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10-30-2011 , 01:22 PM

#3558

semesa

adept

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 775

Ok, went through it with greg and it set up as if there was never a problem in the first place, wierd but meh.

after setting up all my sites, I ran it and found that tables were not popping into foreground when action is required(playing tiled)

also found that on party it was clicking bet when I used the fold hotkey, easily fixed by using custom site creator.

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10-30-2011 , 03:53 PM

#3559

greg nice

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Originally Posted by semesa

after setting up all my sites, I ran it and found that tables were not popping into foreground when action is required(playing tiled)

grid tables are not designed not pop in front of each other. rather, the tables in the stack are designed to pop in front of each other so that you can keep playing on them. tables in the grid should have their own slots so by design nothing is meant to block their view.

how do you have things set up?

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11-01-2011 , 07:21 PM

#3560

breadandbutter

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,407

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Originally Posted by greg nice

yeah, i guess i got pretty emotional about this because ive put a lot of time and work into this software over 2+ years, not to mention lost out on a lot of potential poker profits too. when all the backlash started i was upset and told my gf (who is russian, not a good hiding job

) about it. without my knowledge she came in and defended me. but when i found out i immediately posted this back then too, maybe you missed it in all the blabber

thats fair. i actually agree with you on this point. i think back when i first started getting these types of responses i did handle things with class and gave thorough explanations and reasons, and people just didnt like it. thats ok, but if you dont like it just move on. instead 5 months later i'm still hearing about it, so i've been frustrated. i just want to talk to the actual users who want help

cool, glad you take it so well. i do not agree with you always reacting respectfully but i understand your frustration a bit. don't really believe it was your girlfriend but i guess nobody can prove that

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11-01-2011 , 11:41 PM

#3561

greg nice

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i was pissed with her when i found because i obviously know how it looks. of course theres no way to prove it and of course all the skeptics probably share your sentiment. whatever, its fine. i thought i was very open with things right from the start, more so than i needed to but i wanted everyone to understand where i was coming from, even if they disagreed

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11-02-2011 , 02:26 PM

#3562

whatwonder

Poker Agent

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 870

I am trying to use SAT for luckyace/888 poker, but it is detecting the lobby as a table! This is really annoying.. how do I fix this??

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11-02-2011 , 05:03 PM

#3563

gargamel_fk

banned

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 803

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Originally Posted by whatwonder

I am trying to use SAT for luckyace/888 poker, but it is detecting the lobby as a table! This is really annoying.. how do I fix this??

table_include_title_text=/
whilie you make your custom configuration via custom site creator. If you play multisites and there is also Bodog or/and Party Poker you will experience the problem anyway cause they use the same table class (i don't know if Greg was able to fix it)so basically you can't mix tables from different sites with the same table class (at least it was like that for me 2 months ago)

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11-02-2011 , 05:08 PM

#3564

greg nice

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yeah, if youre getting lobby as a table problem, you just need to be more specific with the table_title settings. try what gargamel suggested and come back if it doesnt work

as for bodog/party, yes they have the same class so its usually a big problem. there might be a hack to workaround, but that would require some very specific table_title settings

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11-03-2011 , 04:37 AM

#3565

pr0wler

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 317

Trying to set up this program up for CakePoker 2.0. Has this been done before?

I tried to use the Manual creator but it's not working so well for me.

Step 1 seems to go fine. "HwndWrapper[DefaultDomain;;9de19143-9022-48b9-8494-dd90d457fc40]"

Step 2 is where it starts to not work. I leave the table open and press the "Test" button and it says "Matching windows are highlighted:" and nothing appears. I tried restarting it/retrying again like 4 times, one time I actually got it to say
1. pr0wler is logged in under Cake Poker
2. Cash game - No limit Sevile Table 58729582 etc.

So I thought sweet it's working! It even grabbed the correct table width/height on Step 3.

On Step 4 when the program was locating the Fold button, when I clicked "Grab Click" it just locked my mouse on the top left of the screen instead of actually locking it on the poker table. This was the only time I was even able to get to step 4, and every other attempt I would get nowhere on step 2. This is pretty frustrating as I am following the steps correctly but I'm unable to get CakePoker2.0 working...

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11-03-2011 , 05:46 AM

#3566

greg nice

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Originally Posted by pr0wler

this hasn't ever worked successfully for Cake2.0, at least not that i've heard of. i spent A LOT of time trying to configure SaT to work with Cake2.0 and have the settings built-in, but it never would cooperate. i concluded that cake2.0 is the worst poker software available

as for your attempts

Step2 doesnt match any windows because the table_class that was detected in Step1 is specific to only ONE table. you see all those random characters at the end? they change. so after it detects the class, just remove all that garbage at the end, and leave only "HwndWrapper"

Step4 locking the mouse could be a problem of not running SaT as administrator, i've heard it reported before, but i thought i fixed this bug.

anyways, here was my final Cake2.0 config (with custom window frame setting OFF in the client), so you dont need to go through the custom site wizard, if you want to test it for yourself. the biggest problems came when trying to actually Include Site and pressing F10 to grab the fold button color. no matter what Scan Mode is used, it always failed for me. so SaT was unable to consistently grab the fold button color, meaning that it was unable to detect when action was required, which is pretty much the heart of the program. you dont really these failures until you actually start playing. i suppose if you just needed hotkeys and wanted to move tables around yourself manually, then things would work ok

Code:

;// ======== CakePoker v2 ===============

standard_table_width=800
standard_table_height=600

buttons=fold,call,bet

action_button=bet
; no fold button when you can check for free, so..
; bet button as action? same problem as UB, someone shoves, 
; i'm last to act and i cover (no bet button, only fold/call)

;commented out are the regions with custom frames ON

;fold_button_region_topleft_x_coord=404
;fold_button_region_topleft_y_coord=491
;fold_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=530
;fold_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=530
fold_button_region_topleft_x_coord=403
fold_button_region_topleft_y_coord=487
fold_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=529
fold_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=526

;call_button_region_topleft_x_coord=534
;call_button_region_topleft_y_coord=491
;call_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=662
;call_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=530
call_button_region_topleft_x_coord=533
call_button_region_topleft_y_coord=487
call_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=659
call_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=526

;bet_button_x_coord=705
;bet_button_y_coord=512
;need to test color variation cause mousehover changes button color a lot
;bet_button_region_topleft_x_coord=666
;bet_button_region_topleft_y_coord=491
;bet_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=793
;bet_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=530
bet_button_x_coord=704
bet_button_y_coord=505
bet_button_region_topleft_x_coord=663
bet_button_region_topleft_y_coord=487
bet_button_region_bottomright_x_coord=789
bet_button_region_bottomright_y_coord=526

use_basic_click=1

border_redraw_method=click

use_lobby_pid_for_tables=0
table_class=HwndWrapper

table_exclude_title_text=
table_include_title_text=/

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11-03-2011 , 09:33 AM

#3567

pr0wler

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 317

Okay cool I'll give that a shot. Of course I'd like it to tile all sites perfectly etc. but if I can at least get the hotkeys working for Cake I'd be happy. Then I could tile my Merge tables properly (which work fine, I play about 60% Merge/40% Cake) and then moving the 3-4 extra Cake tables manually isn't the end of the world. Thanks for your help.

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11-03-2011 , 10:44 AM

#3568

pr0wler

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 317

Okay I pasted what you told me to into a .ini file and it did not work correctly. However, I did follow your advice during the table Wizard and I got CakePoker2.0 to work great...sorta. The hotkeys work totally fine, it even tiles perfectly. The issue is that the lobby is locked in to a given position on my screen...which inconveniently enough is right over my tiles. When I try to move it to my other screen it warps back to it's original spot over top of my tables. I guess it is not recognizing the difference between a table and the lobby? When I did Step 2 of the Wizard it had like 1. pr0wler logged in under Cake Poker and 2. Ring Game: 18428 [Amsterdam 6-max)] etc. so i thought it was fine.

I checked the settings to see if there is anything that I missed but not sure if I'm doing anything wrong. Thanks for your help so far I feel like we're definitely making progress.

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11-03-2011 , 02:21 PM

#3569

pr0wler

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 317

Not to spam this page or anything, but I got EVERYTHING fixed now!!

I read on the forum for the SiteCreationTool that you can add modifiers for the custom.ini to include certain text like "$" to help it better recognize the tables/lobby as separate things. I added the modifier "$" which worked for Cake, but didn't work for Bodog. So I used "max" (the "max 6" or "max 9" portion of the table name) as a table indicator for Bodog and now all 3 site tiles correctly with fully functioning hotkeys!

Will be buying this program now as it's the only one that can tile/hotkey all the sites I play on. It's not cheap, but it's 10x better than running around trying to find specific programs for each site which don't even work as well as SaT anyway. Thanks for your help and looking forward to using this program everyday.

pr0wler

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11-03-2011 , 03:33 PM

#3570

whatwonder

Poker Agent

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 870

question for Greg: are there any new features that you are actively working on, such as allowing different sized grid spots, detecting the end of a hand, explicitly supporting 888, or anything else?

question for everyone else: how many tables do you play, and how many grid spots do you use?

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11-03-2011 , 11:09 PM

#3571

greg nice

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Originally Posted by pr0wler

great to hear man. i was gonna suggest to you how to fix the lobby issue, its usually just a matter of configuring the table_title settings to include or exclude certain letters.

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Originally Posted by whatwonder

question for Greg: are there any new features that you are actively working on, such as allowing different sized grid spots, detecting the end of a hand, explicitly supporting 888, or anything else?

actively, no. i'm mostly playing live poker to support myself, today was very very bad.

all of those three that you've listed are on the to-do list. but during the next coding session, the framework for end-of-hand detection will likely be done first, as that seems to be requested the most. then 888. lastly different sized slots, which i'm not sure is even that highly in demand.

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11-04-2011 , 01:53 AM

#3572

thearthurdog

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 189

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Originally Posted by whatwonder

24 Tables. I have a stack spot and a grid of 8.

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11-04-2011 , 10:16 PM

#3573

Twigee

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 132

Just a thought Greg, could you detect a click in one (realistically, all) of the advanced action boxes? Right now I use the advanced box to fold mostly then hotkey it back into the stack. I do use the check on a lesser scale, but not all that often.

If you can grab that click it could be an easy fix to get rid of some tables without exploring hand detection just yet.

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11-05-2011 , 12:01 AM

#3574

the_fisherman

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 370

I found a bug. I use both TableNinja and StackAndTile. For both the disable hotkeys action is mapped to the Escape key. If I press Escape then only the StackAndTile hotkeys are disabled. If StackAndTile is not running then I can disable the TableNinja hotkeys.

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11-05-2011 , 01:17 AM

#3575

greg nice

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Originally Posted by Twigee

well, the Fold (and Fold+stack) hotkey within SaT will usually attempt to click the Fold pre-action checkbox, but on some sites its just not possible. as for detecting the actual click, that would probably be much harder because first i would need to detect whether those are visible, which SaT currently doesn't do. its unlikley i would add this, but you are free to make a thread on the SaT forums under the Feature Request section and if enough ppl want it then ill do it

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Originally Posted by the_fisherman

so you want to use Escape to disable BOTH SaT hotkeys and TN hotkeys?

try this in SaT, remove your hotkey, and then re-add it but instead of using Escape, prefix it with ~ so it would become "~Escape". the ~ will pass the actual keypress through to other programs

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