When you say it ADDS NOTHING! I disagree as- It Covers the Rav4 from anyone of the Avery Clan from seeing it from a distance & as Colborn if you did not know was a regular visitor to the scrapyard for his own vehicle's then it makes sense to cover it from prying eyes until the Eyes of God got to it.

If it was the 3rd when Colborn found the Rav4 which is a logical date then the covering of the Rav4 for 36 hrs makes sense to them, agree?

Colborn also gave a statement that he did not know the time he arrives home on the 3rd Nov 2005, Slept on the couch so as not to disturb his wife & in his notes on the night of 3rd Nov 2005 he has a missing Log of 1.50 hrs.

Planting the Rav4 does not mean that the MCSO murdered TH Jeez, get a grip.

Yeah, hence the a) and b)

Avery was already a subject when Sturm went there. Why wouldn't the police already be searching for the car. Or more importantly, searching for Teresa in case she was still alive.

Sorry, not following you.

The argument is that the police planted the car on SA's property. Which means they must have found the car someplace else (wherever the "real" killer left it), and moved it to SA's property.

Unless of course, they killed her themselves. Sounds ridiculous but then so does the rest of it.

Revots33 Since KZ has said that she will get SA exonerated & not a new trial and that it is OBV who the killer is (devil is in the detail) can I ask you Hypothetically who do you think KZ has pinpointed as the killer?

Or would you prefer not to speculate on it & that's fine for me.

I'm on the Avery is innocent camp, but also on the KZ is bluffing camp and hopes the killer exposes themselves.

He literally gave the 2 possible choices. So if you don't think the cops killed TH, you think they found the car, ignored searching for her and instead planted it on SA's yard.

I don't understand how footprints work but I imagine they are not still liftable from a scene after 6 days.

As for the car, it was covered with a hood of another vehicle as well and her license plates were found in another vehicle within the property. The "planter" would have had to plant the car, take of the licenses plates, cover the car with branches and a hood of another vehicle, smash the windows out of a vehicle in the property, then throw the license plates in the other vehicle. That is a lot of trouble to go through when you could easily just plant the car to frame someone.

Oh yea, they also disconnected the battery.

As for pam, if you look at the map and listen to her testimony it is clear how she found the rav 4 so quickly. The whole camera thing is ridiculous. You are now suggesting that all kinds of close relatives and friends of TH were involved since they are the ones that gave pam the camera. Can you imagine how this conversation would even come up?

"Pam, we found the car, we want to frame avery can you help"

Like what would pam say? How about all the other people that were approached about this within that group? No one even planting the car would ever bring this up to someone TH loved. It would be stupid.

Zellner is hoping to raise enough hell that SA gets a new trial, she gets him exonerated due to reasonable doubt, and it increase her profile and wealth. She has no additional evidence to directly exonerate SA and frankly probably believes like most people that he's guilty but there was at least some injustice in the whole proceedings.

All this stuff you guys are bringing up is more ridiculous than my sign theory. That is partially why I brought it up so you avery fans would see how you sound to us.

I think "most people" as in the general population. Think he is innocent. Most 2p2ers take the stance you are talking about though.

Also, what fingerprints were found? Link please.

I have already stated itt that I believe the MCSO covered up the accident or murder of TH.
I explained in detail why & how I believed this.
Do you wish to hear it again?

Well I challenged all of the team NG who actually thought he didn't commit the crime and I got a bunch of whining and a couple ppl saying they honestly believe he didn't do it. Marksman battled about semantics, then I owned him even at that. I've seen a few not take a hard stance.

I get the feeling most people if they really looked into their soul think he probably killed her but didn't like the way MC handled everything.

Most people itt sure. But the general population is much less intelligent than the general poster on 2p2.

Yes please. I read your shorter posts but the ones that are just walls of texts I just don't have the patience for.

The fingerprints in the Rav4 on the outside of the Rav4 & on items inside the rav4.
Sorry don't have the link at hand. But there in the Transcripts.

This is the first I have heard of fingerprints. Quick question, how come the doc didn't mention them if they are a big thing?

btw, because of recommendations from others I started watching paradise lost. Don't know enough about the case to really comment but I do see areas where the doc has to be leaving out important information.

Either way, I was very heartbroken that that happened to those children.

I think you're being kind. Most of the posts I've read seem to be theories about who planted the evidence, how they planted it, and their motives for planting it.

So are you guys gonna just ignore the person in the background on the call or can you honestly not hear it. It's clearly audible in the link you posted of the audio.

OK Short answer is....
Motive was Money, pride, advancements in careers & saving face.

The culprit was GZ either by accident or mental health issues.

Timeline is important as TH was never seen again after her working day finished or was coming to an end.

RH & SB where small time earners for themself's (pills, weed) cops kinda new & this was why they got RH to download TH details & SB was just caught up in his own world that he did not feel the need to report her missing until he did.

Colborn discovered the Rav4 on GZ property or close by & decided to act fast to frame SA knowning that GZ is a bit crazy, spoke to JoEllen Z & spoke to Sheriff peterson to get the go ahead he called Lenk & away they go.

As you know the bones are my thing to the whole case & if it turns out what I have always said itt that TH bones were never in the firepit then I find what happened to TH intriguing, this is why I am so curious about the case cause quite frankly I don't know how or why the killer got rid of TH.

Jokingly earlier itt I said it was Colborn & Lenk who got rid of her but would like to think that it was taken as a joke, I sincerely hope that cops would not go this far.
It is a possibility that one other members of the zipperer family assisted in helping GZ get rid of TH.

KZ tWEET The devil is in the detail says a lot to me & when you read the transcripts colborn & Lenks routine was altered in the days after TH went missing, SA did not & that's a telling factor to me.

Sorry if a bit mumbled Anger. Ask away.

Piling a bunch of stuff on a single car in a lot full of cars makes it stand out, obviously

Sorry I do not have an answer as to why the fingerprints were left out of the doc maybe because there was no I.D of them.

Yeah I be honest I need to get off MaM.
What do you recommend, The staircase, West memphis 3 or paridise lost & I'll start 1 2nt if ya respond. small cliffs on P L pls.