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It's quite possible he didn't have a bonfire that night. Everyone's initial interview there was no mention of a bonfire. The bonfire was brought up later on secondary interviews and quite possibly dates just weren't remembered specifically.

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02-01-2016 , 12:34 AM

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Bonfire or not?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...ing_the_early/

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02-01-2016 , 01:25 AM

#3754

prana

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Bombfire

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02-01-2016 , 01:30 AM

#3755

golfnutt

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I liked how Ken Kratz said he was guilty on Dateline.

He is a defense lawyer now. It is 100% certainty that if Steve Avery went to him and he was a defense lawyer then, he would have defended him.

The problem inherently with BOTH sides, it is a win/lose game. It isn't a combined search for the truth. Here we see the prosector as the enemy. Many times, it is the defense lawyer trying every trick in the book to get their guilty client off on any technicality possible. And they are totally fine with that.

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02-01-2016 , 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jmill

You seem so satisfied with yourself with this response. Guessing a neighboring state like Iowa.

Yes, I live in iowa.

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02-01-2016 , 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

BD said there was no bonfire and I was told by someone else that SA mentioned something about planning a fire but not having one ( I haven't listed to the original interviews from november but posted them itt) What is interesting here is both BD and SA found it important to mention and deny a bonfire as part of their story.. Others just didn't bring it up because they probably didn't realize it was important until later.

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02-01-2016 , 02:24 AM

#3758

DrawNone

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fraleyight, how did you come to meet with character from the Avery cases irl?

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02-01-2016 , 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DrawNone

fraleyight, how did you come to meet with character from the Avery cases irl?

I never said I meant with characters from the avery case irl. I am in contact with people who were friends with TH and I am member of a fb group where Kayla regularly posts. Other than that, I do not know anyone in the show personally.

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02-01-2016 , 03:19 AM

#3760

PoorSkillz

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Originally Posted by housenuts

Bonfire or not?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...ing_the_early/

So now Steven didn't even have a fire on Halloween and everyone around that evening including Steven are all lying or misremembering, because those dirty cops coerced them?

Do people not realize how unreasonable the arguments for Steven's innocence have become? We are getting dreadfully close to theories that aliens did it.

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02-01-2016 , 03:41 AM

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Colborn's unedited call to dispatch.

Transcript of whole call. What was shown in MaM bolded.

L: Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, this is Lynn.
AC: Lynn.
L: Hi Andy
AC: Can you run Sam William Henry five-eighty-two? See if it comes back to that missing person.
L: Sam William Henry 582... I need [something] please. Ohhh, hahaha, do you speak any Spanish Andy?
AC: No [?]
L: I just got a call on the doppler. A list (?) that's mine on call didn't call me back. And when I get in trouble Andy, I get in trouble.
AC: Haha.
L: You know?! What am I supposed to do?
AC: Yeah.
L: My.. My favorite one is in the city of Manitowoc.
AC: haha
L: Umm, ok. It shows that she's a missing person. And it lists to Teresa Halbach.
AC: Ok.
L: Ok? That's what you're looking for Andy?
AC: 99 Toyota?
L: Yup.
AC: Ok, thank you.
L: You're so welcome. Bye bye.

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02-01-2016 , 05:03 AM

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jinx702

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Funny ****!

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02-01-2016 , 05:06 AM

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jinx702

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Wow, has anyone posted this vid!

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02-01-2016 , 05:45 AM

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USA#1 the land where you can bull**** thanks to god and no one say anything in court.

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02-01-2016 , 06:48 AM

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http://crimewatchdaily.com/videos/0-h8ds3d4f/

Judge found guilty of getting 2 sheriff's deputies to frame a girl who refused his sexual advances. She filed criminal complaints against 3 people who beat her up and the judge said he would only help her if she became his mistress.

6 Sheriff's deputies were asked to do the job and 2 agreed. The defense lawyer for the woman had to ask for Federal help and the feds launched an investigation, uncovering massive amounts of corruption with seemingly no motive other than wanting to look powerful.

The judge and 2 deputies are now in Federal Prison.

There's a storm coming Manitowoc....

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02-01-2016 , 07:01 AM

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you believe anything you see on tv , it s impossible law enforcement do anything like that.
That poor judge got framed

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02-01-2016 , 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz

Colborn's unedited call to dispatch.

Transcript of whole call. What was shown in MaM bolded.

L: Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, this is Lynn.

AC: Lynn.

L: Hi Andy

AC: Can you run Sam William Henry five-eighty-two? See if it comes back to that missing person.

L: Sam William Henry 582... I need [something] please. Ohhh, hahaha, do you speak any Spanish Andy?

AC: No [?]

L: I just got a call on the doppler. A list (?) that's mine on call didn't call me back. And when I get in trouble Andy, I get in trouble.

AC: Haha.

L: You know?! What am I supposed to do?

AC: Yeah.

L: My.. My favorite one is in the city of Manitowoc.

AC: haha

L: Umm, ok. It shows that she's a missing person. And it lists to Teresa Halbach.

AC: Ok.

L: Ok? That's what you're looking for Andy?

AC: 99 Toyota?

L: Yup.

AC: Ok, thank you.

L: You're so welcome. Bye bye.

What do you think this proves, other than that it takes time for Lynn to type numbers into a computer and run a license plate?

This call makes absolutely no sense.

So, either he's staring at the back of a car with this license plate, which makes perfect sense given the way this conversation occurred.

Or, as he testified, "he must have" been given the license plate number in a call that day from CC detectives. Which means he obviously doesn't trust them, or thinks they're lying, so he calls the plate in just the make sure they aren't lying to him?

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02-01-2016 , 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz

Checking in on a plate number... the smoking gun, at least according to MaM.

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02-01-2016 , 09:08 AM

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we know that the police could rape and you d see nothing wrong.

The story that the woman found the car super fast makes no sense, so people are wondering if either they moved the car or if colborn went on the property to do an illegal serach.

But maybe you believe god lead that woman to the car

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02-01-2016 , 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

So, either he's staring at the back of a car with this license plate, which makes perfect sense given the way this conversation occurred.

Or, as he testified, "he must have" been given the license plate number in a call that day from CC detectives. Which means he obviously doesn't trust them, or thinks they're lying, so he calls the plate in just the make sure they aren't lying to him?

Or he was given the license plate and scribbled it down and was calling to confirm he wrote it down correctly. I think that's more likely than the lying theory. That theory makes no sense.

Also, is America the only place that doesn't use the standard phonetic alphabet?

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02-01-2016 , 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown;49253755;

Or, as he testified, "he must have" been given the license plate number in a call that day from CC detectives. Which means he obviously doesn't trust them, or thinks they're lying, so he calls the plate in just the make sure they aren't lying to him?

Or try this one... he got a plate number and was calling in to verify. Scandalous, I know.

The problem is the most likely answers are also the most boring, and who likes boring?

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02-01-2016 , 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eddymitchel

I'm pretty sure what happened is exactly what the woman testified to under oath. Was it lucky that they happened to start their search in the right general area? Sure. But it happens. Again, boring.

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02-01-2016 , 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

Here is a question for you, if you had murdered her or actually saw her that die.. Don't you think he would have had a better story lined up for when this came up other than "I don't really remember"

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02-01-2016 , 10:49 AM

#3774

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

Here is a question for you, if you had murdered her or actually saw her that die.. Don't you think he would have had a better story lined up for when this came up other than "I don't really remember"

What? Is that Ken Kratz's theory that saying the cops lied and planted evidence means you're saying they murdered TH?

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02-01-2016 , 11:20 AM

#3775

PoorSkillz

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Originally Posted by revots33

I'm pretty sure what happened is exactly what the woman testified to under oath. Was it lucky that they happened to start their search in the right general area? Sure. But it happens. Again, boring.

This. She got lucky with a coin flip in choosing the right direction to start out on, but also when did 30 minutes = finding a car "super fast"? Lol

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