If a burn pit I was tending all day and night is ever found to contain bones of a murdered women who was with me last and made her last phone call in my general area with her stuff 20 ft from my door and her vehicle found in my hard with my blood inside, I will not complain about evidence promise.. You know why? Because I will never be caught in that situation because I do not kill people.

Can you show me one example of someone who was framed with this much evidence? Sure, there are coerced confessions, forced dna matches on faulty evidence etc.. But nothing like this. This is literally a slam dunk case for the defense. SA was a stupid not to plea.

But do you rape people on the beach?

Nothing further....

It was searched prior to BDs statements. The bullet with TH's DNA was found in plain sight.

It's not a stretch that a key was dislodged from that book case. It is a stretch that the first day that Manitowoc personnel do not have an official babysitter that they manage to find that key within minutes of entering a trailer that has already been searched for hours. And it's only the valet key, clearly disconnected from the rest oh and it somehow does not have TH's DNA on it.

FYP

Exemple as documented as this one it's unlikely because not Everyone is catching the attention of some film student.
And as you said avery not accepting a plea deal is a big problem for him since he ll end up most likely longer in jail. But it's a way bigger problem for the prosecution if avery isn't guilty since it's only a slam dunk if he plea.
Now we ll see if Zellner is full of **** or not. The sad part is that if she fail we ll here from you forever. If she deliver you ll just disappear.

Yeah, there's about 10,000 examples in the wikipedia documentation on the corruption in the FBI I just posted.

Let sort through those 10,000 plus the 300+ cases the innocence project has exonerated and I'm sure we can find a few...shall I proceed?

Did you read the trial transcripts? Because if you had, you'd see that while 2 investigators named Fassbender and Weigert from Calumet were assigned as "lead detectives", their "lead" consisted of assigning 3 Manitowoc County Sheriffs to search the most important scene (to that point), SA's trailer. In fact, the only Calumet Officer allowed in the trailer was specifically ordered NOT to participate in searching, but to "observe" Manitowoc officers (three of them) while they searched and collect what evidence they found.

I'd say 3/1 ratio is pretty dominant, wouldn't you?

Additionally, the fact that Weigert and Fassbender were never actually in the trailer was how they justified the further 7-8 searches, because the "lead detectives assigned to the case" were never actually present to serve the search warrant.

I found what i was looking about the judge, he doesnt blame avery for the old rape case but he talk about how he ramp up his crimes, when that guy has no reccord of any crime for the last 20 years since he was stuck in jail for most of this time. It's pretty obvious avery was guilty in the judge mind and it affected the whole trial, the fact that he ordered the defense not to seek alternate suspect to "save time" is baffling to me in this context.

And looking at those footage again, i thought it looked like Fassbender was unhappy with his work because even in the end when they "win" he still look super unconfortable in the background. And he isnt the only one who testify during the trial who look really unconfident when he has to justify his work.

I would disagree with this. The documentary did not mention that they were there to collect a computer and get swabs of blood that the Crime Lab "identified" (but for some reason did not swab themselves). For some reason, this required 3-4 officers, at least 2 of which were Manitowoc Sheriff's deputies both of which had recently been deposed and one of which was actively planning his campaign to run for Sheriff of Manitowoc County and admitted that after his deposition just 2 weeks priot, he had considered that he might be added to the civil side in Avery's current suit against Manitowoc County.

For one reason or another it is this exact moment in time that Colborn decides to "twist, pull and handle roughly" the book case in question. It has nothing to do with the computer or swabs of blood that the Crime Lab failed to collect on their turn in the trailer. In fact, the reason they came up with for searching the bookcase again (because it is so far out of the scope of the search warrant) was "looking for pornographic material" which was later deemed as inadmissible as it was not part of the search warrant. The key however was allowed as admissible due to the "inevitable discovery" rule, even though it was found due to compounded violations of the search warrant. It just makes no sense.

Isn't it just absolutely ironic that the very first time Fassbender and Weigert finally show up to the trailer is the day the key is found. I assume they no longer need the search warrants or extensions at this point, right?

How much of this info was left out of the doc?

I'll assume you have someway of proving the bullet was t contaminated. Maybe running the test with a negative control would be a good place to start. Oh, wait.

Just because the negative control was contaminated with her DNA, doesn't mean other parts of the test weren't contaminated with other DNA. We know she had samples of TH DNA near by.

This is why the negative control is so important.

http://imgur.com/r/MakingaMurderer/tgEG7yY
Can anyone tell if this photo is altered?

See this is pretty clearly the issue imo, people cannot get past the fact that he was wrongly convicted once before, and let that influence how they see the murder case. The 2 have nothing to do with each other, unless perhaps being incarcerated with murderers and rapists for 18 years hardened SA to the point he became capable of murder.

he got wrongfully sent to jail for merely 18 years by the same office ... no big deal, i dont know why people allways refer to that like it could be relevant

You're right, I don't know either. They are 2 different crimes with completely different evidence. The first had no physical evidence and relied almost entirely on the victim's ID. The second had an overwhelming amount of evidence all over the place.

BTW it wasn't the same office for the murder case, the lead investigators and DA were from Calumet county.

Lol keep up that internet search for the real killer.

Have you found the real killer in the OJ case yet?

Incorrect.

The same DNA expert that testified in the TH murder trial, and contaminated the DNA test on the bullet, also testified in the rape trial, and incorrectly linked a hair found on the rape victim to SA.

The same hairs that ended up exonerating him.

But yeah, no connection or conflict of interest there.

People nut hugging the police like it's impossible for them to be bad/inept/dirty don't understand society at all.

Maybe watch The Seven Five, also on Netflix, and then tell me again about how there aren't any bad/dirty cops anywhere.

Nah in the first case they didnt decide that avery would be custom fit as the rapist, and at no point people could suspect that they could do it again.

I'd think of it as a 99+% chance I'm right, so I think I'd probably bet my life savings plus take out a loan to bet on it showing Steven was involved in the murder (he may not have been the one who technically killed her - maybe that was Brendan, maybe even another family member).



You CLEARLY cannot even spell "reasonable doubt" (and have also disagreed with the judge's thoughts on reasonable doubt), so maybe cool it on criticizing others.

Also, this: is just hilariously wrong.

Regarding the bullet, IIRC:
On the bullet, only Teresa's DNA was found, not Sherry's.
On the negative control, only Sherry's DNA was found, not Teresa's.

It wasn't possible to run the test again, it was a very important piece of evidence, and it was obvious that only TH's DNA was on the bullet and not through contamination. Therefore, a deviation of protocol was filed.

This is completely legal. Again, you want it to be one way, but it's the other way.

Even so, the jury still considered Buting's "asterisks" he put on the piece of evidence, and they still found Steven guilty.


Also, I think revots has made some very good posts ITT.

http://imgur.com/r/MakingaMurderer/vPnljVK

lol

http://imgur.com/r/MakingaMurderer/m8TIryD LIKE THIS.
OJ Simpson without a doubt.
Now did you answer my Q's, like show me physical evidence of DB involvement? Or has that photo been altered?

So this is the guy you stand behind.

http://imgur.com/r/MakingaMurderer/ElRQFIE

Remember when he say's jerk back then he actually means Drug addict & sexual predator.

Pretty good reddit post about some stuff not mentioned in the documentary on the defense side.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...ft_out_of_mam/

That list is huge , when i remember ken kratz pretending it was biased against the prosecution and how small his list was and most of it had no credibility , it s hilariously to read that.