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05-25-2009 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by burkoboy
no mention of the guy in the bar talking to Walt being Jane's dad?

I thought that was really weird and I was like HOLY ****ING **** where are they going with this.... and to my surprise, no where, but I still thought it was crazy interesting why they decided to make it her dad
Not sure if that's the end of it. He meets with Q, and through Q realizes the fatherly connection he has with Jessie, then ends up letting Q's daughter die. I'm betting he'll find out that was the guy's daughter.
05-25-2009 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by burkoboy
no mention of the guy in the bar talking to Walt being Jane's dad?

I thought that was really weird and I was like HOLY ****ING **** where are they going with this.... and to my surprise, no where, but I still thought it was crazy interesting why they decided to make it her dad
This was the one part of the episode that i thought was kinda weak. It was too much of a set up for me. I understand they needed a scene to set up Walt going back to jessie's apt and him allowing jane to die but i think it would've worked just as well if it had been some random guy at the bar. One thing the scene did establish though is that Walt wil not be abandoning Jessie any time soon because he is starting to see him as his partner so I am glad I was wrong about Jessie's days being numbered.
05-25-2009 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Not sure if that's the end of it. He meets with Q, and through Q realizes the fatherly connection he has with Jessie, then ends up letting Q's daughter die. I'm betting he'll find out that was the guy's daughter.
This will definintly happen. Plus the fact that Walt left all sorts of CSI-type evidence of his presence in the apartment. When he acually picked up the syringe I was like WTF are you doing????

It will be real interesting to see how soon Jane's death is discovered and what happens to jessie's $$$. If her shows up bright and early to bring her to rehab the next morning and jesie is still passed out with $480 k in a duffel bag in the apartment he will lose that $$ AND have to explain where it came from.

Also, just a feeling here, but don't be disappointed if we don't get an expaination as to who is in the body bags in the season finale next week.
05-25-2009 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pocket Trips
This will definintly happen. Plus the fact that Walt left all sorts of CSI-type evidence of his presence in the apartment. When he acually picked up the syringe I was like WTF are you doing????
You really think this is an issue? Who is going to investigate the OD death of a junkie to that extent? There would have to be some other relevant factor that the cops discover (like the money).
05-25-2009 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
what an incredible scene at the end. The viewer could totally see Cranston's thought process in his facial expressions. Absolutely brilliantly acted scene.
Yes, loved it. When Cranston has material like this, he's excellent. Loved that shot.

My favorite moment in the episode was when Walt took the baby out to the garage and showed her the stacks of cash hidden in the insulation. His line "Look. Look what I did for you. I did this for you" absolutely broke my heart. I got choked up for the first time watching this show.

That was the scene that motivated the final scene -- that and the bar conversation with Jane's dad. It comes down to family, how that's all there is, and what we do for them. Letting Jane die was Walt's way of protecting his family, just as making drug money was his way of providing. I mean it started with us thinking he was treating Jesse like a f*ck-up nephew (and he was, he didn't want to give up on him), but it ended with a staggeringly rough and cruel moment of inaction that so brilliantly defines who Walt White has become.

It's so awesome how unpredictable this show it. It always keeps you on your toes. TV is often so formulaic and genre-fied that you know where you're going and you're okay with it. With this, there's no map at all.
05-25-2009 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
You really think this is an issue? Who is going to investigate the OD death of a junkie to that extent? There would have to be some other relevant factor that the cops discover (like the money).
If the $$ is found by the cops then it DEFINITLY becomes an issue. This show is too well written to ignore something like that.
05-25-2009 , 02:23 PM
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It's so awesome how unpredictable this show it. It always keeps you on your toes. TV is often so formulaic and genre-fied that you know where you're going and you're okay with it. With this, there's no map at all.
EXACTLY!

If you look at my predictions from last week every single one of them was blown out of the water in a mere 48 minutes. I know I'm no genius, but i'm not a complete idiot either and there is not another show on TV at the moment that you can't at least somewhat accurately predict the story line.
05-25-2009 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
My favorite moment in the episode was when Walt took the baby out to the garage and showed her the stacks of cash hidden in the insulation. His line "Look. Look what I did for you. I did this for you" absolutely broke my heart. I got choked up for the first time watching this show.


Surprised it took this long for this to get a mention. In that moment it seems like Walt, and maybe the viewer, actually feels like it's been worth it.

Is there a pill I can take so I can just go to bed now and wake up next Sunday an hour before the next episode?

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05-25-2009 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pocket Trips
If the $$ is found by the cops then it DEFINITLY becomes an issue. This show is too well written to ignore something like that.
So the cops are going to do what? Think that someone broke in, made her choke on her own vomit, and then left half a million dollars there?
05-25-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pocket Trips
If the $$ is found by the cops then it DEFINITLY becomes an issue. This show is too well written to ignore something like that.
Of course it would be an issue. The question is really how they would find her body before Jessie hides the money. I would guess there is only one way (but I would consider it relatively likely), and it's that her Dad busts in because Jane hasn't showed up to go to rehab.
05-25-2009 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
So the cops are going to do what? Think that someone broke in, made her choke on her own vomit, and then left half a million dollars there?
Interrogate Jessie?
05-25-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
So the cops are going to do what? Think that someone broke in, made her choke on her own vomit, and then left half a million dollars there?
First of all, we don't know if Walt is going to leave the money in the house. He may know Jesse will call an ambulance when he wakes up, so he could take precautions and take the bag for safe keeping again. Secondly, of course there's no way her death will be investigated. She's a known junkie and OD'd with a heroin needle at her bedside. Case closed.

But if Walt makes the mistake of leaving the money with Jesse, there's no way the cops ignore a half a million bucks in a duffel bag. I just don't think that's going to happen. Aside from Hank, this show isn't concerned with police too often. Morality is a far bigger authority for Walter's world.
05-25-2009 , 02:45 PM
I didn't say the cops would ignore the money.

I don't think it will come to that either. My point is that Walt touching the needle isn't going to be a plot point, and I don't that is bad writing.
05-25-2009 , 02:47 PM
that was very sad even though with heroin you know it's bound to happen. it's gonna suck having to wait for next season, 1 episode left right? (didn't watch preview for next week)
05-25-2009 , 03:00 PM
Best part about the episode was the very last close-up of Walt. He goes from crying about the girl, to closing his eyes and re-opening them with a dark stare. He looked driven, almost psychotic. He didn't just stare straight is the thing. His pupils were aimed high up in his eye socket. So very chilling.
05-25-2009 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Of course it would be an issue. The question is really how they would find her body before Jessie hides the money. I would guess there is only one way (but I would consider it relatively likely), and it's that her Dad busts in because Jane hasn't showed up to go to rehab.
I think Walt already foreshadowed -- one-step forward, two-steps back. Will he again have to give Jesse 1/2 of Walt's share?

Spoiler:
Doubt Jesse will wake up before Jane's dad comes to take her to rehab. I could see him taking Jesse's money as compensation for daughter. Will Jesse lead Q to Walt?

Jesse will be in custody of police or Q, or be on the run, most likely broke.


Can't wait!
05-25-2009 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
First of all, we don't know if Walt is going to leave the money in the house. He may know Jesse will call an ambulance when he wakes up, so he could take precautions and take the bag for safe keeping again. Secondly, of course there's no way her death will be investigated. She's a known junkie and OD'd with a heroin needle at her bedside. Case closed.

But if Walt makes the mistake of leaving the money with Jesse, there's no way the cops ignore a half a million bucks in a duffel bag. I just don't think that's going to happen. Aside from Hank, this show isn't concerned with police too often. Morality is a far bigger authority for Walter's world.
If Jesse wakes up and the money is gone and his girlfriend is dead there is no chance he doesn't assume walt has something to do with it, which ruins any potential chance of them reuniting, as Jesse would likely hate walt. Seeing how the whole reason he let her die was to try to "save" jesse from her/drugs (obv ruining chance of future blackmail is a part too), it wouldn't really make sense for walt to essentially let jesse know he was there. I mean I guess walt could claim that he came back and took the monies for his own good and was there before her ODing, or was there after her ODing and knew cops would come and was taking money so they wouldn't find it, or claim that it wasn't him and that someone else broke in and took the money, etc, but would jesse really believe that in his state of mind?

Last edited by Nonfiction; 05-25-2009 at 03:34 PM.
05-25-2009 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dog Boy
I think Walt already foreshadowed -- one-step forward, two-steps back. Will he again have to give Jesse 1/2 of Walt's share?

Spoiler:
Doubt Jesse will wake up before Jane's dad comes to take her to rehab. I could see him taking Jesse's money as compensation for daughter. Will Jesse lead Q to Walt?

Jesse will be in custody of police or Q, or be on the run, most likely broke.


Can't wait!
yeah, no way season ends with jesse having the money.

I know most of you guys are hitting on this but I'll say it again... We don't see Walt leaving the apartment yet, so maybe he takes it? I was hoping maybe there was a chance that the dad would show up when Walt was there, but Walt was there at maybe like 11pm or midnight and the dad will most likely come in the morning. It would be pretty intense if he was banging on his daughters door and walt was in jesses apartment then he goes to jesses room.

just so many possibilities, but I can't wait for Jane's dad to link Jesse and Walt together.
05-25-2009 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
If Jesse wakes up and the money is gone and his girlfriend is dead there is no chance he doesn't assume walt has something to do with it, which ruins any potential chance of them reuniting, as Jesse would likely hate walt. Seeing how the whole reason he let her die was to try to "save" jesse from her/drugs (obv ruining chance of future blackmail is a part too), it wouldn't really make sense for walt to essentially let jesse know he was there. I mean I guess walt could claim that he came back and took the monies for his own good and was there before her ODing, or was there after her ODing and knew cops would come and was taking money so they wouldn't find it, or claim that it wasn't him and that someone else broke in and took the money, etc, but would jesse really believe that in his state of mind?

great point actually...

so.. its too easy to assume that jesse wakes up, sees her dead, hides the money, then calls the cops... because that would be un-eventful

the writers set this up perfectly by her convincing her dad to start rehab "tomorrow" which is the morning after she dies. So they don't have to explain why the dad would be showing up. Shes already been late for AA a couple times and hes had to call, so its pretty safe to assume the dad shows up, jesse is still passed out, and there is some sort of 2 minute panic where he hides the money or the dad just breaks in and takes it.

I could see the dad now holding jesse and his money or ****ing with walt once he finds out about him so that "this doesnt happen to others"
05-25-2009 , 03:50 PM
Question about the setup for the last scene: Why does Walt proceed to go into the house and try to wake Jesse up after he sees that Jesse is sleeping peacefully?
05-25-2009 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
Question about the setup for the last scene: Why does Walt proceed to go into the house and try to wake Jesse up after he sees that Jesse is sleeping peacefully?
walt probably figures that jesse is going to leave town now that he has the money so he went there to convince him not to...he can't just sit around all night waiting for him to wake up and doesn't want to take the chance that jesse leaves the next day before he can come back so he tries to wake him up
05-25-2009 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
So the cops are going to do what? Think that someone broke in, made her choke on her own vomit, and then left half a million dollars there?
The combination of the already broken into apt plus the "chance meeting" of Walt and Jane's father the cops thinking it was more than just your average junkie OD'ing very likely
05-25-2009 , 05:55 PM
Also, pretty sick foreshadowing with jane making jesse sleep on his side "in case you throw up." Normally writers hit you over the head with foreshadowing making whats going to happen pretty obvious (lost does this all the time for example), but this was seemingly a throwaway line.
05-25-2009 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
Also, pretty sick foreshadowing with jane making jesse sleep on his side "in case you throw up." Normally writers hit you over the head with foreshadowing making whats going to happen pretty obvious (lost does this all the time for example), but this was seemingly a throwaway line.
Less so if you notice the baby being set down the same way.

edit: although at the time I thought that it wasn't foreshadowing anyone's death but rather just equating Jesse and new baby as children in Walt's care.
05-25-2009 , 09:24 PM
also saul talks about trees and no one being there to hear it fall or whatnot

      
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