What? Did we even watch the same show?

If Walt doesn't care about Jesse, why the **** didn't he just let the dealers kill him in "Half Measures"? That would have solved all his Jesse problems.

wait, Combo? refresh my memory on the connection there. i mean isn't Combo the one who gets shot by Tomas in S2? do you mean Skinny Pete or Badger, or did i just totally forget this episode. haven't seen it in a while, so anything is possible...

Yeah, Combo and Jesse had stolen the RV from Combo's mom. We didn't learn about it until a flashback in S3.

It's not obvious why Walter killed those dealers. Maybe it wasn't for Jesse until he showed up at the scene. It's unclear. But if you re-watch season 2 there are plenty of times that Walt says he's doing this for his family (not Jesse). Plus he's done a few things to show us that he doesn't "care" for Jesse as much as he's "watching out for him".

** Why exactly did Walt let Jesse's gf choke to death? My answer: business reasons (not personal ones)

Vehemently disagree with this, as there is literally no reason for Walter to kill those dealers other than to preserve Jesse's life.

Dude, Walt says a lot of things. Have you not noticed how much and how often Walt's stated reasons for doing things differ from his actual motivations?
It wasn't strictly business so much as self-preservation-- Jane was a loose cannon that could have come back to **** up Walt's entire life at any time. But by the same token, like Jesse said, two junkies with that much cash would have been dead in a week. In the long game, it protected Jesse as well.

I didn't even think he knew Jesse was going to be there in the first place. But I guess you do.


His motivation has always been his family. Why would this change? Are you saying Jesse is as a motivating factor to Walt as his own family?


It got in the way of them doing business. It was for business preservation. Again, nothing to do with Jesse. Walt was acting selfishly (didn't care at all about Jesse's feelings.. never has cared imo).


Maybe we are watching a different show..

LVGambler youre just flat out wrong on every point.

this is not even up for interpretation, its like youre trying to watch the show incorrectly.

LV Gambler re-watch the episode "FLY" from season 3. That is basically the turning point for Walt's relationship with Jesse. Where he realizes he does care about him like he does his own family.

Uh, yeah, I did. Walt sees the news story that Tomas was murdered execution-style and quickly pieces together that Jesse will find out and go try to exact justice. So he goes to the corner where the dealers work to keep Jesse from getting his fool ass killed. Did you miss Walt catching the news after watching Jeopardy! with Walter Jr.?

I'm saying Walt sees Jesse as family. You can also read my post on the last page where I point out that this whole thing has never really been about Walt's family so much as it has been about Walt reasserting control over his own life, but that line of thinking requires you not to take everything Walt says at face value.

If he never cared about Jesse's feelings, why didn't he just have him rubbed out after "One Minute" instead of telling him his meth was good and hiring him on as a partner?

Throwing in a smirk at the end of your post doesn't make you clever, and it certainly doesn't make you right.

By the way, assuming "LV" stands for "Las Vegas" (and your location seems to indicate that is correct), how does someone credibly call himself a Las Vegas gambler when he misinterprets events so badly?

Well, it really is up for interpretation since Walt didn't say "Hey, I gotta go save Jesse's ass!!!" J/K


I don't agree with this "turning point". I don't see how their relationship changed that much in that one episode. But I'll re-watch it anyways to see what you're saying.


No, I didn't miss that part.. when they were getting ready to eat. I didn't make the connection to Jesse though. I can see I missed that and it was a mistake of mine in my comment earlier.


Yes, this show is about Walt taking back control over his life. He's doing things "his way".. but why? He wasn't happy with his previous "mundane" existence. But this doesn't have anything to do with Jesse. It doesn't make your case for Jesse being part of Walt's family.. or like you said "maybe even more important to Walt than his own family" (w/e). No way is Jesse a motivating factor in Walt's life. If anything, he's been a burden (at times) to Walt. I've always been under the impression that Walt could 'take or leave" Jesse at any time.


Because he knew too much (and threatened to snitch) and Walt didn't want Jesse "rubbed out". He just wants him to be as low key as he is/was.


I'm not trying to be clever.. but I think you are (see below).


This is too ridiculous to reply to. What does my name have to do with my comments? Why would you feel the need to try to make this personal? How juvenile. You do know that we're on a forum "discussing" a show? There aren't any prizes for being right (or clever.. which you were not in this case).

now then

That's all very true. But a lot of the times, when Walt "protects" Jesse, it's out of circumstance. And he's always had selfish motives for doing so. He once told Jesse "You're out, I'm in" (w/e)..
What changed that?


** I look at this way.. with all the sht they've been through, Walt and Jesse have grown closer. But if it wasn't for all those "messy" situations, Jesse would still be that "idiot who cooks junk meth and has a drug problem". He's been a burden to Walt (a few times-esp lately).

I'm not saying Jesse and Walt don't like each other.. or anything like that. I'm just saying that I feel that their relationship is mostly business (as they rarely do or say much that indicates otherwise). (IMO) They're a lot like a divorced couple who've gone through a lot together and have mutual business interest(s).. that's what ties them together (their past). Does that make sense or do I have it all wrong (again)??

You're right, it was uncalled for.

Now, I have a simple question for you: If Jesse is so expendable to Walt, and he causes all the problems he does, why does Walt go to such extreme measures (and put himself and his family in danger) to save Jesse's life? There have been numerous points in the story where letting Jesse die (or having him killed) would be of a great business benefit to Walt.

LV- Reflection and thought?


Did you get that Walt didn't actually have any problem with Gail? He made that conflict up just so he could get Jesse into the business. He liked Gail more than he liked Jesse, but since Jesse was "family" he ends up picking Jesse over Gail.

Finished S3. This show is awesome

lol you're either a moran or trolling

Not quite. It's when Walt is talking to Jane's dad in the bar and Jane's dad says "but you never give up on family." Walt says yes and then immediately goes to save try and convince Jesse to get clean. Of course, that visit didn't really end so well, but at least Walt's heart was in the right place.

i'm pretty sure lvgambler has assburgers

LOL you guys are taking this too seriously. Maybe I'll re-watch the show from the very first episode and it will all seem different to me. But as of now, I just don't think Walt has Jesse's back for any other reasons than his own selfish reasons. To me, he has him around because they've been through a lot. But so much of that is stuff they both regret.. it's stuff that neither of them wanted to do.. they had to do it. Together or fall (or die in some instances).

This is where I think I'm having a problem with this whole "Jesse is family" thing:

They both get into deep sht and separate from doing business for a while.. leading to:

Walt had to bring Jesse back or he was going to snitch..
Walt gets Jesse back in..
Jesse wants revenge for his friend's murder..
Walt tells Pollos..
Walt did not get involved with Jesse vs Pollos because he knew it wouldn't be a smart move..
Walt didn't want anything to do with Jesse's "revenge" plan..
Then he protects Jesse because this will most likely fall on him too..
Jesse didn't want anything to do with Walt's "get rid of Gail" plan..
Walt needs Jesse to kill Gail because he got caught..
Jesse needs to get involved to save Walt (or it could be his ass next)..
Jesse kills Gail..


Like I said though, this is just the vibe I get. I realize that when I re-watch the show from the beginning, this "impression" I have might change. A lot of times when you re-watch certain shows, you'll see things differently or just catch on to certain things you might've missed.

And btw, whether I interpret their relationship differently, or even incorrectly, it will not change the fact that I thoroughly enjoy this show.. like most of the people itt do. Nothing will change that.

lol

lolol saul is in arrested development. he's the therapist for lindsay and tobias

Bob Odenkirk is a comedian by trade, he and David Cross had a sketch comedy show("Mr. Show with Bob and David") that has a thread devoted to it in this very subforum.

just found this show and have watched up to se2ep11 and rate it 8/10 easily. The thing with the kitchen sex scene is i think the director was showing him going from passive to a more aggressive person as you remember in the first season his wife gave him a handjob in bed. Anyway I think jesse is a bit overacted and comes accross as not believable at times although he is growing very nice into his character and improving as the show goes on. Walt is an amazing actor and his son his pretty awesome too and has a nice dark dry and sarcastic humor at times. The mom well she does have a nice rack but doesnt add much to the show. Cant wait to watch more.. the bil could die already. Love the directors use of camera angles as well... oh and the goth chick could get it for sure... blaaazin hot