I totally forgot I had it, got one of those "Happy Birthday" emails from 2+2 for it, was surprised it was the first post. Ikes was right, used it for rigging a politics poll. Tressel cheated back in 2008 too!

2p2 sends you happy birthday emails?

odd

I would think someone from NE ohio would know these details a little better. It went more like this:

Ray: Hey coach, I need a job.
Tressel: OK, why don't you call YSU board of trustee member Mickey Monus. He runs Phar-Mor.

Ray walks away and some time passes.

Reporter to Tressel: Hey Jim, did you hear Mickey Monus was a giant scumbag and was embezzling money from Phar-Mor. He totally destroyed the company. We think he was involved with Ray.

Tressel: Wow, who would have thought a BOT would not be a trustworthy person.

End of story. Tressel's involvement with Ray here is so totally indirect and irrelevant. Is it not nuts to think that some I-AA school with very little history of ever even being relevant at that point would have some systematic pay-to-play ring in place? The Ray Isaac story both lacks any evidence, motive, or even plausibility to involve any wrong-doing on Tressel's part.

lol huh?

so you're saying youngstown ****ing state was going to end up winning like that over 4-5 years w/o the Senator's, uhhhh, 'efforts'?

being from northeast ohio, remembering pete and penny penguin giving autographs at the eastwood mall when i was a kid MAY mean that i do, in fact, know the details.

question: if the Senator offered you his ****, really politely with a wink and a smile, would you at the very minimum lick the tip? jesus you're awful.

Jesus. Monus ran with the Philomena and Chance crowd. Cocaine, extravagance, young girls, a lot of the girls I knew. I partied with those guys, and it's the last place in the world Tressel would be. If you have ever met Jim Tressel, you know he's exactly that naive, and in Monus's case, MLB was that naive also to allow him to start a franchise.

I know Ray, I played against him since we were kids and remained friends through our early 20's. Tressel had no idea what the hell he was into. I'm not saying there wasn't a bunch of kids from marginal situations like Ray or Shawn Patton that everyone knew were from troubled backgrounds, but in RI case, he was a good kid who didn't have jack and made a mistake. When a guy owns a national chain of stores and owns a MLB team, you'd think he was ok unless you were a close friend, which Tressel wasn't. I assumed Monus was ok, until I met his wife, and saw him in action. Tressel was going through a bad divorce at the time also which likely distracted him.

YSU excelled at the time because that was the best era of local football Youngstown ever had. When I graduated there were 650 kids in a school that now graduates half that. That's pretty much the ratio at all the football schools in YTown from the late 80s to present that aren't catholic. They also had a lot of tweeners in regards to talent in that era. Ray wasn't a Big Ten level player, nor was anyone from that time. He was a project. I can't recall a YSU player from that era ever going pro despite a ton of success. He had great defenses and bludgeoned teams running the ball. Same formula as Ohio State, just worked better at that level. I can't recall a single player YSU had that had a big time offer yet chose YSU. Good solid teams, but no superstars. If money was there to be made, you'd think we could have landed some big fish, but it never happened. There are more transfers and kids who have failed out of Big ten programs and landed at YSU recently. I can't recall any of significance in that era.

You were a little kid wiper, and you don't know the details. I do, I know everyone being talked about personally. Tressel screwed up at Ohio State, but he's honestly one of the most solid men I've ever met.

By the way, if you think UM was clean at that time then LOL. I lived a few doors down from the main conduit between all those Warren players that went to UM.

I'll give you a hint-this guy being disbarred was pretty important- http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/loc...5TI1zR9lA.cspx

still a loyal donor as seen here, though his pledge level has dropped a bit since he's disbarred. I saw stuff that was unreal when their mothers showed up to have their utility bills paid when their sons were in Ann Arbor. It was no secret. That's just how YTown rolled at the time.

http://www.mgoblue.com/victorsclub/h...arsity-mr.html


I wouldn't talk nonsense about Bo Schembechler's character just because he beat us a lot, and because I know players who were straight paid from his time. I don't know what he knew. That's just the way the game is played. These aren't bags of money to pick a school situations where a kid chooses your school for 200k. These are the same perks kids have always gotten when they are demi-gods in college football towns.

i don't disagree with this. i simply place more blame on the AD and compliance officers than on JT. imo any time you say "JT shoud've known..." you can replace JT with Gene Smith and/or any of a dozen compliance officers.

furthermore anyone who had intimate knowledge of any wrongdoing is wrong for not speaking out. if you are an equipment boy or a scrub on the bench or a star player, and you see broke kids walking around w/ $1000s of tats and material items, alarms should be going off in your head. they are all at fault and they are all idiots. JT just happened to be the one who got put in a tough spot and took the wrath. I'd probably trade the 2010 season and the win over Arkansas for 5+ more years of JT. If he was going to bail in 2-4 years anyway, that game alone might have made this worth it :-)


let's just keep this to football. no need to brag itt ;-)

donni,

There's a reason why I've been calling for everybody's head, not just Tressel's.

amen brother.

I also grew up in NE Ohio as a huge YSU fan, though I am not sure that qualifies as a brag!

Yeah, an internal hire after all this would be a joke. Not that I want to increase the chance of Urban or anything, but still.

Summertime cruisin' w/ Hokesmash

Steve Arnold? i'm confused. pretty awesome stories you just told though. Phil Chance's son is a cop in youngstown and just about the most crooked piece of **** **** who has ever wore a badge. i think he's at 3 times he's shot a suspect under suspicious circumstances and skates every time. i once told him karma will eventually catch him and **** him and got slammed against a wall, but i digress..

i think you're again making the mistake of assuming jim tressel was naive because that's the aura he gave off and wanted you to think.

Man that's a lot of calling and texting.

rut roh

Per the Plain Dealer's Twitter, Pryor's career at tOSU is officially over. Can't find a link yet.

watching ESPN right now....Joe Schad reporting Pryor won't return to school

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.s...s_his_ohi.html

Buh Bye

How bad do OSU fans think this news is? Is this kind of a good thing in your mind because of all the controversy already swirling around TP and the potential for him to maybe take the fall for a lot of this stuff? Or is this unequivocally bad from your guys' perspective?

they're gonna all say it's a good thing.

in b4 he is drafted int he third round, washes out of the league and ends up on realsports in 7-8 years with no money and lots of child support bills

But YOU know better.

lol. Does this mean you think there isn't any good coming from this? I think it should be obvious why this is both good and bad but it doesn't surprise me that you are already preparing to call anyone who points out the good in this situation as a blind homer or headstuckinsand.gif. If you can't see why this is a good thing then you are probably a worse anti-homer than OSU fan is a homer.


I'll go ahead and point this out so you Michigan fans can understand it.

Which scenario is better?
1) OSU lets renegade QB practice, participate, and lead the team while essentially shoving it in the face of the NCAA that we don't think he did a thing wrong and won't do anything until being officially told so
2) OSU kicks off renegade QB before the NCAA makes a ruling on it because OSU received information he broke several NCAA rules

Obviously it is bad overall. I don't think anyone will argue that. But it has to buy us some brownie points with the NCAA. We are at least going about this better than USC did so far.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH

BECAUSE THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

omg that's good.

damn wait, i gotta quote that whole thing.

so wait, LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT..

a team finds out it's quarterback isn't eligible and/or a good person.

should we either:

a: let that QB practice, participate and lead the team into the Sugar Bowl

or

b: let that QB practice, participate and lead the team into the Sugar Bowl and then afterward push him out and claim we WOULD NEVER LET SUCH A LOSER QB PRACTICE, PARTICIPATE AND LEAD OUR TEAM.
\:rolleyes :

THAT IS THE BEST THING I'VE EVER READ.