Oh of course. This is just Michigan fans. A local matter at most.

Maybe you are this dense, but one more time just for kicks. You just talk about your life on campus. Since so many players have been linked to extra benefits on campus, it's absurd to think about recruits haven't been told about the hook up.

It's absurdly naive to think this type of topic doesn't come up, especially when year after year, player after player repeats the same actions.

News flash everyone: Tressel's only direct involvement in any of these players NCAA violations is not reporting the series of emails he received. None of the other incidents had anything directly to do with Tressel. I am not saying these players did not get benefits, I am just saying Tressel was not behind them. If you insist, please find actual evidence in any case other than the one that cost him his job.

Obviously it comes up at some point for at least some players. I'm saying it doesn't come up at these visits by recruits. If it did, we would be hearing more stories about recruits that turned down OSU and then came forward with info about these types of violations. This stuff does come up, it just seems pretty obvious to me that it comes up at a later point when the recruit is already at OSU.

And let's pretend for a second that your one shred of evidence for this type of thing happening in regards to recruits is actually true. Notice there is no mention of players telling him about free cars, or free tattoos, or money or whatever. The allegation is that he took him to a party.

Ike - did you just learn what a booster was or something? Yeah sure, there are a ton of things boosters are not supposed to do, but are you so naive you think this is not the nature of big time college football programs? Oh, wait OSU is the only school that is involved in this activity? To be clear again, I am not saying OSU should be immune from punishment but don't think for a minute these arrangements are isolated only to OSU and this is not the doing of Tressel.

Yeah, and Steve Fisher knew nothing of the Fab Five getting handed money. Ok chief.

ORLY

Reading is hard.

lol. I'll say.

"Notice there is no mention of players telling him about free cars, or free tattoos, or money or whatever"

alumni != players

Nits gonna nit. The connection is there.

Except that's not what ike is talking about at all. I'm not denying the existence of boosters. I'm not denying players were receiving benefits. I'm not denying that Tressel knew about at least some of these benefits and should have been fired. I'm not denying players are discussing these benefits with other players. I'm denying that players are discussing these benefits with recruits they've just met and hardly even know on recruit visits.

Bball coaches are way more accountable than football because of the # of players on the team, also depends on the size of the payment. If someone on OSU got >2k I'd bet Tressel knew. I find it hard to believe a booster would give a random backup $500 and the coach would know.

Jim O'Brien on the other hand literally gave one guy on the basketball team cash HIMSELF, which is insanely dumb.

If this is really your line then the reasonable discussion is over.

tOSU fans being blind homers itt

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...r-latest-car/1

The 350z will almost certainly end up being legit. The loaners are almost certainly like you described.

Ace Rothstein: Listen, if you didn't know you're bein' scammed, you're too ****in' dumb to keep this job. If you did know, you were in on it. Either way, you're out. Get out! Go on. Let's go.

Tressel's biggest crime appears to be ignorance (besides the emails).

The emails definitely are cheating. Plain and simple. No way around that.
Is turning a blind eye cheating? I'm not sure. But I think a lot of that comes on compliance. But Clarett was caught, Smith was caught, Tat5 was eventually caught. So I don't have a problem with the kids cheating then getting caught and punished. Can't really blame compliance for dealing with those problems. Maybe Tat5 they should have found out earlier. Clarett was suspended the entire season (before he quit). Smith was caught fairly quickly IIRC.

Now there is all this other stuff going on where the evidence looks bad but is not the most reliable (a source who claims a guy with no tattoos got some for free, etc...). The cars look bad. Investigate. If you find problems, compliance definitely should have known. If there were no actual problems, I have no problem with compliance. If there were problems, there's clearly a systemic problem with compliance either being lazy, ignorant, or just plain turning a blind eye and trying not to find problems.

But so far I'm waiting for some good solid evidence on those fronts. It certainly looks pretty bad. But I've heard a lot of weird stuff that isn't true, some that probably is, and contradictions of all kinds of things, so I don't know what to believe. Most likely somewhere in the middle- a lot is true (especially on the tattoo and car front), and some is false.

I also still make a distinction between turning a blind eye and directly cheating. Think of it this way - if a guy is playing basketball and it's unclear if the ball hits him or not on the way out. If the guy just says nothing (and it hit him), and the ref calls it the other way, is that cheating? In a better world, he should speak up and call it out on himself. If he gets it called out on him, and he lies and starts screaming that it never hit him, that is worse in my book. Both are dishonorable. But one is cheating and one is trying to take advantage of something.

We're going to kick Michgan's ass on November 26th!

worst first post of all time

lol I'd be impressed TC, but that gimmick was used for cheating in a politics forum election IIRC

The most damning evidence regarding compliance is the internal audit that found there was something going on with cars and player apparel that compliance completely ignored. That report will probably be used to justify a lack of institutional control charge.

ike, what's your opinion of Tressel sent every car he knew about to compliance, and they just sat on it or didn't do due diligence? Tressel hypothetically asks them, they say the cars are legit, and he goes on his way. Is that on Tressel at all? Or compliance?

Depends, but I don't think that's a reasonable hypothetical.

Jim: Ray, i want you to meet a friend of mine, Mickey Monus. he runs a big grocery store chain around here, Phar-mor, heard of it? either way, he's a really nice guy, you two should get to know each other..Mickey, this is Ray, he is a superb young man and exemplifies exactly what we're trying to do here in Youngstown.

Mickey: Pleased to meet you Ray...

Jim: *walks away*

okay, *directly*, by the letter of that word, maybe you're right. HE didn't pay ray isaac. buuuuut, hepaidrayisaac.

when you realized no one else had made that screenname, you must have been really excited. maybe you should've taken your time a bit to figure out how best to take advantage of the situation.

he created the Tressel gimmick 3 years ago, was saving it up for a perfect time like this

Ok, let's just say Tressel notifies compliance. Nothing happens.