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10-31-2010 , 12:15 PM

#12376

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

I gotta admit, I feel this frustration too, as I'm sure many others do. If RR gets fired, it won't be the end of the world to me either. Kinda like when I'm down a couple thousand at the casino, it doesn't really matter if I lose a few hundred more. It's just pure numbness after a certain point. But I gotta say, at the same time, I think it will be extremely sad if RR, a great offensive mind, gets fired without ever having a chance at having a 2nd year starter at QB. Something about that just seems grossly unjust. Despite the catastrophe of the last three years, my position is: I think we should give RR a full five years, just like Canham told Bo he had five years to prove himself. Given RR's successful track record, I think he deserves that much.

My biggest problem with firing RR is that we'd get another 2-3 years of this minimum. See: ND.

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10-31-2010 , 12:18 PM

#12377

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

My biggest problem with firing RR is that we'd get another 2-3 years of this minimum. See: ND.

Get a coach that knows how to coach the talent he has (See: Meyer, Urban) and the transition isn't that bad.

btw, The only way RR gets fired imo if winning 6 games is if Brandon has "his man" and knows he'll take the job.

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10-31-2010 , 12:21 PM

#12378

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Get a coach that knows how to coach the talent he has (See: Meyer, Urban) and the transition isn't that bad.

This is very wishful thinking. Every coaching change causes significant attrition, and we just can't handle that anywhere and be a good team still.

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btw, The only way RR gets fired imo if winning 6 games is if Brandon has "his man" and knows he'll take the job.

True

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10-31-2010 , 12:21 PM

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Ike...with what we have seen this season...or ceiling next year isn't even double digit wins. How sad is that...in richrods 4th season if everything were to go right our ceiling isnt even 10 games lolollol.

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10-31-2010 , 12:23 PM

#12380

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Originally Posted by GREEAR10

Ceiling is definitely above 10 wins for next year.

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10-31-2010 , 12:23 PM

#12381

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I don't know is GERG is just completely incompetent or won't play any man to man because our corners are on AIDS on a stick but I really see no way he makes it past this season no matter who the coach is.

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Ceiling is definitely above 10 wins for next year.

yep, like I said offense is going to be just as good or probably better and getting Woolfork +Martin and a year of weights and **** for the young guys but that all might be for nothing with GERG

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10-31-2010 , 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thedeezy

we played a decent amount of man yesterday and got burned quite a bit. Something is obviously wrong though.

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10-31-2010 , 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

My biggest problem with firing RR is that we'd get another 2-3 years of this minimum. See: ND.

Right, that's probably the biggest reason I want him to get 5 years.

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10-31-2010 , 12:28 PM

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Ceiling is definitely above 10 wins for next year.

so our ceiling is a national championship next year? that's ****ing hilarious bro.

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10-31-2010 , 12:32 PM

#12385

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so our ceiling is a national championship next year? that's ****ing hilarious bro.

we definitely have a >10% chance of 10 wins or more next season, including a bowl game.

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10-31-2010 , 12:32 PM

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So is our ceiling National Champs next year under Richard Rodriguez? yay or nay?

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10-31-2010 , 12:35 PM

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So is our ceiling National Champs next year under Richard Rodriguez? yay or nay?

lol I'll agree with you.

Spoiler:

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10-31-2010 , 12:37 PM

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we played a decent amount of man yesterday and got burned quite a bit. Something is obviously wrong though.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any reasonable way to judge GERG right now for the same reason we really couldn't judge English: sample size issues. My biggest beef with GERG is not his performance (which I know I don't have the expertise to analyze) but the hiring of him to begin with given his very poor track record. Maybe I'm being naive, but I figured at a place like the Univ of Michigan, with presumably very deep pockets, RR could've found a stud DC with an awesome track record and paid him stud $$.

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10-31-2010 , 12:38 PM

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that's all i wanted to know ike. it's good to know i converted you.

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10-31-2010 , 12:40 PM

#12390

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Yeah exactly, let's not get crazy here. Any progress means something which is why bowen's question is beyond ******ed.

lol @ u

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10-31-2010 , 12:40 PM

#12391

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Ceiling arguments are stupid. They're not about what the ceiling really is statistically, they're about conveying a general feeling. I think the ceiling next year is 10 wins. I know that that technically is not correct, but who cares. Let's not nit ourselves to death.

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10-31-2010 , 12:44 PM

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Basically right now, we're experiencing a perfect storm of injuries, bad luck and bad play. The coaches have to be somewhat responsible for the truly awful defensive performance yesterday, but I'm really not sure how much of that is on the coaches.

Some, or even most, is, but they are truly awful talentwise as well.

who recruited the awful players?

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10-31-2010 , 12:46 PM

#12393

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who recruited the awful players?

THEHIPPPPPP

Well, Lloyd recruited the seniors that suck. RR recruited the freshman that suck, thing is you can turn Freshman who suck into decent or hell, maybe even good football players.

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10-31-2010 , 12:47 PM

#12394

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When did garbage time start for you? Because the game was definitely in reach until they made the fg due to the bs penalty. Iowa game wasn't done until late either

the PSU game was never garbage time. those were all legit yards

however, vs. Iowa, when Michigan was down 21, Iowa was just playing prevent vs. Tate and Tate got lots of yards through the air that weren't there in the first half. Not that it matters that much either way.

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10-31-2010 , 12:48 PM

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its just a perfect storm of badluck guys. next year when the trend continues, and michigan is allowing 40ppg itll just be due to badluck.

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10-31-2010 , 12:49 PM

#12396

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and in his "5th" year we are at NEB, OSU, BAMA, and ND, gl

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10-31-2010 , 12:50 PM

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Well, Lloyd recruited the seniors that suck. RR recruited the freshman that suck, thing is you can turn Freshman who suck into decent or hell, maybe even good football players.

Except that the freshmen that sucked when Lloyd recruited them still suck now as seniors, so RR's track record there isn't exactly stellar.

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10-31-2010 , 12:52 PM

#12398

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Well, Lloyd recruited the seniors that suck. RR recruited the freshman that suck, thing is you can turn Freshman who suck into decent or hell, maybe even good football players.

on offense, we have a stud SOPH, and some solid juniors

on defense, we have aids on a stick (copyright from above poster)

you would think we would have 5-6 guys that are soph/juniors that would at least be decent