sux that mls slate starts 30 min before the first game because .........

Hi Guys, i'm a newby in DFS. I started reading a lot of stuff, and i found about the high ceiling or high floor concepts. I'm not english and im not understanding what exactly this concept mean. Can anyone explain with some simple words and with some example? Ty

High floor is means a player who will generally get you a decent amount of points without scoring or assisting. High ceiling is guys who have a good chance at having multi goal or assist games.

Some players have high ceilings and high floors, most usually are one or the other. High ceiling players tend to be very boom or bust, while high floor players tend to be consistent but rarely have massive point hauls.

Bwp gonna cost me in my first foray into mls. I could see myself getting into these 2 game slates just clicking buttons.

Ok perfect! Now is a bit more clear. For this first 4 GW who you think we can put in this 2 category? Witch player i mean. Ty

Here are some examples (not necessarily the best examples but pretty indisputable):

High floor: Montero, Tadic, Sanchez, Memphis, Kolarov, Trippier last season was the GOAT
High ceiling: Gomis, Costa, Aguero - basically any main central striker for a good team

It is really rare for a player to have a super high ceiling and a super high floor. Someone like Hazard was about as close as you could get in the PL last season. In MLS it is more reasonable, where Gio is the greatest GOAT of all time.

Hazard? No Sanchez was much closer than hazard imo. Messi/ronaldo are good high floor and ceiling players.

ronaldo was priced so high at one point that he needed to score two times to pay

and he would

So in general picking high ceilings for large tournaments and high floors for 50/50's is the standard play?

Harry Kane is becoming the very definition of a high ceiling/low floor guy

What would you regs say is the most common 'fish' mistake in FF?

This week I had 50 teams (25 x 2) in the Mondogoal 10k. The majority of my teams were built around Chelsea, Man City & Liverpool players as they all had seemingly easy games at home to weak opposition.

Obviously the results didnt go to plan and my teams have underperformed. Of my 25 teams I had Coutinho in 9 teams - he got sent off and scored -3 points for the week.

Is this poor tactics and exposing to myself to high variance or did I simply just 'run bad' this week?

I'm no expert, but one thing worth considering is that a team made up of very popular players is more likely to score well, but won't necessarily score better than many of the other similar teams.

With the top heavy prize structure of the Mondogoal 10k, I think it's not a bad strategy to put a few less popular picks in - if they happen to do well, you could find yourself in with a chance of a proper bink.

When you look at the team that wins it each week, it's rarely a safe/solid team - it tends to be a bit punty.

This would obviously be a bad strategy in heads-up games, etc, and even in the 10k it's a more high variance play - your team of popular picks will have had more chance of getting minor cashes.

In terms of manager positions, I have finished 1st 2nd 2nd in the £10k in the first four weeks of this season.

I have refined my strategy and am still working on it, but I firmly believe you can't really win by backing the favourites, and if you do, there is a real danger of sharing prizes. If the best and most obvious 11 players score the highest, that team will be super common.

Every team I have done well with, has been an based on unpopular picks that could do well in a matchup. I also believe you really want some out there teams, I did really well with West Ham defence combined with Swansea attack this week.

Does anyone get much Heads Up Action on Mondo? I sat in the £100 and £50 late start lobbies and rarely see any action.

Also is there any kind of winner/loser list site (that may well be banned in the future years) currently out there?

Out of curiosity, what made you pick West Ham defence at Anfield when they had been amongst the league's worst in their first few matches?

Swansea I can understand and benefitted from that a lot, but WHU has me scratching my head, admittedly.

lol at suggesting that using popular players is going to lead to ties for first on mondo

I think the idea is that nobody else will have picked them, so even though it is a fairly small % chance they do well (I made it about 10% chance of clean sheet), the top-heavy payout structure makes it worthwhile, because on those occasions that they do perform well (and other popular defences disappoint), you have a real chance of a very high finish.

As a simplified and exaggerated example, say that there are 100 lineups entered into a tournament. 99 of them have chosen a Liverpool defence which is expected to perform better than West Ham say 90% of the time, and the other lineup has a West Ham defence. Both teams have the same attacking players.

90% of the time the West Ham team finishes dead last, but 10% of the time it wins the whole thing, which is obviously a massively +$EV proposition in a tournament with top-heavy payouts, despite West Ham players being bad picks in terms of pure points EV.

Having said all that, the week I binked my best team had a Man City defence

Some people want to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Occasionally they bink when the stars align. There are plenty of contrarian plays to make that are still good plays vs clicking buttons for the sake of having players no one else will.

Away teams have won more than usual this year so in general you'll see a lot of seemingly WTF lineups winning. I don't think away teams will win near 45% of games all year.

I enter a lot of lineups (close to 50) and I feel that to make money in the tournament, you need to cover bases. I didn't pick the entire West Ham defence because I thought it would keep a clean sheet, rather that if it did, not many other people would have the same idea as they are underdogs.

I would never employ this strategy in Cash Games.

Got raped this week in nearly all my lineups. Stacked a few defences that didn't hold up and my heavy hitters didn't really deliver. Need to reassess for weekend after internationals.

Could anyone please explain to me what the difference is between the USA based sites and mondogoal. I read somewhere 8 players on the USA based sites, mondogoal has 11.
Secondly on mondogoal all games are in tournament style, HU, or double or nothing, any different formats on the USA based sites?

I am thinking to put some serious study in DFS, but after studying a lot of stuff for the beginner, i am more interested in stats analysis but i dunno where i can find this. I spoke with opta and they ask me about 25k dollar (lol). There is any source from where i can study it?

ah the old classic 2/3/5 formation

Aka the Herbert Chapman W-M!

(Reading a book that literally just hit on this so I'm showing off and humble bragging)

DK better not go to 11 player format

Given that the survey is aimed at UK players, I would be surprised if the most popular answer is anything but the first one. Best chance they have of converting casual players who have played season long fantasy for years is to make it as familiar as possible.

Although if 2-3-5 is an option, they might as well just stick with 8.

plz 8 man lineup... 11 is over the top x100 imo