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03-23-2010 , 10:27 PM

#1026

another_rack

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,458

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thundercat32

this order is wrong no?

a snake draft it would go jokes, fifield, pecota, pecota, fifield, jokes, etc.

its double snake, look at the Google Doc

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03-23-2010 , 10:32 PM

#1027

Jokes

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,486

Brett Wallace

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03-23-2010 , 10:34 PM

#1028

Thundercat32

banned

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,313

Quote:

Originally Posted by another_rack

its double snake, look at the Google Doc

I did thats when I came here to post..... just curious do we actually take votes in this league or do we just like post responses and then 2 days later ppl try and go off their best recollection and go with that?

I don't think I've ever seen anything like the following....

snake draft

Thundercoff
Jokes
exit
Karak

reverse snake draft

awesomenutshot
another_rack
primetime32
Levarkin
Thay3r

it'd be nice to see something like that along with hey speak now or forever hold your peace in the next hour we're coming to a final decision on X issue.

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03-23-2010 , 10:39 PM

#1029

Exitonly

Ray of Hope

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,724

We're making all decisions on the fly - with the goal being to piss you off as much as possible, cause that's how we roll.

Last edited by Exitonly; 03-23-2010 at 10:41 PM. Reason: Or there was a thread up for 5 months where anyone could voice opinions.

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03-23-2010 , 10:44 PM

#1030

Karak

ELIte

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,724

Double snake draft was in the constitution of the league. I know you love to bitch, but you can't possibly gripe about this one.

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03-23-2010 , 10:46 PM

#1031

Karak

ELIte

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,724

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karak

Most up to date rules draft:

Basic Administrative Issues

1. Commissioner has the final decision on all major league rule changes.[He can be overruled by an absolute majority of the league.
2. All major league rule changes must be initially approved by a vote of a simple majority of the league and then signed off by the commissioner.
3. Anyone can propose a rule change for a league vote.
4. Commissioner retains the ability to unilaterally make minor rule changes, although he will, obviously, discuss them with the league first and they can be overruled by a simple majority of the league.

Rosters
• 40 man total roster
o 30 man active roster
o 10 man minor league roster

Positions
C
1B
2B
3B
SS
Util
CI
MI
5x OF
3x SP
2x RP
4x P

A minor league player is any player that qualifies as a rookie or begins the season in the minor leagues IRL.

A rookie is defined by the official MLB rules:

"A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues"

Once you option the player up, you may not option him down for the rest of the season. He can only be placed back on the minor league roster if he breaks camp at the beginning of the next season in the minor leagues or as a free agent IRL.

If a player is optioned up in real life, a team in the league with him on its minor league roster may opt to keep him there for the remainder of the season. If he is traded to another team during the season, however, he must be placed on the new team’s major league roster. If the player is optioned down in real life 10 days or fewer after the trade is finalized, the new team may exercise a one-time option to send him down. This team may recall him if he is ever called back up for the rest of the season.

Player Auction and Salary Cap

There will be two initial drafts, a free agent draft and a rookie draft. Any player who meets the eligibility requirements for a rookie (defined infra) will be in the rookie draft. Any other player will be in the free agent draft.

• Minimum Salary is $400,000.
• Each team must acquire 30 players at a total cost not to exceed $96,000,000. $4,000,000 is reserved for 10 minor leaguers @ minimum salary. A team need not spend the maximum.
• Every owner can nominate three (subject to change) players at a time for auction. A nomination counts as a minimum bid of $400,000.
• There is no minimum bid increment requirement, however teams are encouraged to use the hidden “max bid” function for efficiency’s sake. This is a suggestion and not a mandate.
• There will be numerous players in the bidding process at all times until every team is filled with players.
• The bidding on a player ends when 24 hours have passed since the last bid on him.
• No team may make a bid for a player it cannot afford.
• Any non-rookie player is eligible to be drafted.

Each bid price is a one-year contract for the player. At the end of the season, each player may be retained for a 5% (subject to minor tweaking) increase in salary. So if you pay A-Rod 10 million for year one, you can keep him for 10.5 million for year two and so on.

You can keep a player drafted in the initial free agent draft for a maximum of 5 years. After 5 years, he re-enters the FA draft.

Acquiring a player from waivers starts the five year clock as well. Acquiring a player in a trade does NOT restart the clock.

Rookie Draft

The rookie draft will take place every off-season and will include recently MLB drafted players as well as international signings. If any of the international signees or drafted players are called up to the majors AFTER the year’s rookie draft, they will still be ineligible to be added onto a roster until the next year’s rookie draft. The rookie draft will go in reverse order of the previous year’s standings, with the order of the spots finishing out of the money determined by a lottery like the NBA. For the first year, it will be random. It will operate as a double reverse snake draft. After the initial rookie draft, a team will NOT be required (and CANNOT) to add players from subsequent rookie drafts until the next rookie draft begins.

The salary of a rookie is $400,000 for the first year and every year thereafter until he loses his rookie eligibility (see requirements above) or after 4 years have passed, whichever is sooner. Once promoted to active roster he would use the following pay schedule:
Year 1 (rookie year): 400k
Year 2: 400k
Year 3: 400k
Year 4: 1M
Year 5: 3M
Year 6: 5M

Cap Hits, Waivers and Free Agents

All contracts will be fully guaranteed. Any $$ bid on them in the waiver process (at ANY point in the season until the player signs with another team) will be pro-rated and that pro-rated portion will be taken off of whatever is left on the contract.

Example of rule: I sign Jon Lester for 20 million a year. Halfway through the year he's sucking a lot, so I cut him. No one wants to take him in a trade, even though I offer to take on half of his remaining salary. Since 81 games have gone by, I owe 10 mil on Letser for the rest of the year. I cut him to waivers. Through the waiver bidding process, Pecota signs him for 5 mil. This means that Lester's annual salary is now 5 MILLION. Pecota only needs to be 2.5 mil under the cap to do this, as he simply needs to pay him 1/2 of his annual salary. I, accordingly, get to shave 2.5 mil off of my cap for the rest of the year and only owe lester 7.5 mil.

If you are over the cap, your entire team roster is locked out until you get back under the cap. You can cut players, trade, etc. You should keep in mind that trades take time, so if you want to execute a 3-way deal to shed salary to one team while taking on increased salary for another, make sure it's all a go before you execute it. There will be a one-time 3 day grace period each year to adjust cap space. This exemption expires after the trade deadline.

After the initial draft, all remaining players will be placed on waivers. Waiver process works just like the FA draft. You place a bid of 400k and the bidding continues until 24 hours after the last bid. Every Sunday there will be a check on waiver claims, and the bidding process will begin.

All players on your 40-man roster count against your cap. This includes minor league players.

Trades

All trades must be posted PUBLICLY for 48 hours before they are official. During this 48 hour period, ANY team may make an offer to either team involved in the trade, and either team can feel free to take it. This counter-offer must be posted for a subsequent 48 hour period if it is accepted. If neither team accepts a counter-offer, after 48 hours the trade becomes official, pending commissioner and/or league approval.

If you acquire a player via trade, you acquire that player’s remaining salary and must pay it. Likewise, the team trading the player away will no longer have to pay that salary, unless there is an agreement. The same rules apply to renewing the contracts as they did to the original team. It is acceptable for teams to “take on” salary when trading a player, just like real life, with no one taking an extra cap hit.

Rookie draft picks may be traded for players.

All trades must be approved by the commissioner. There are two reasons a trade will be vetoed:

1. High suspicion of collusion.
2. An owner clearly doesn’t care and while he may not be colluding, he’s clearly dumping his team off.

Any trades involving the commissioner are subject to approval by the assistant commissioner. Any commissioner veto or non-veto can be overruled by a majority vote from the league. The reason the commissioner retains the power is that most people either a) forget to vote or b) vote for stupid reasons because it’s anonymous. The voting will not be anonymous should you choose to override, and you must post publicly your reason for vetoing any trade. I will publicly ask for opinions on any trade before I approve or veto it, so this really should never be a problem.

Scoring

5x5 Roto scoring:

OBP, SLG, HR, SB, R x W, SV, K, WHIP, ERA

13 teams… 1300 dollar total prize pool.

Proposed payout:
1st – 600
2nd – 350
3rd – 175
4th – 125
5th – 50

A 50 dollar LAST PLACE penalty will be paid by the loser. This penalty will go towards paying any league fees for the next year (if we use CBS), thus reducing the cost for everyone. If we do not have any league fees, then it will be split between first and second place: 35 to first, 15 to second. If the loser does not pay this fee, he forfeits his buy-in for next year and is out of the league.

Other basic rules:

-Only 96 million will be available during the initial FA auction. 4 million will be reserved for the 10 spots on the rookie draft.

-You must have only active major league players on your roster at all times. Thus, you cannot hide a rookie or minor leaguer on your 30-man roster unless they are called up IRL. If they are called up IRL (even briefly) and you add them to your active roster during this time, they must stay there for the rest of the season, but if they are starting the next season in the minors, they have to revert back to your minor league roster.

-DL. Each team will have 4 DL spots. You may keep a player on the DL as long as he is on the IRL DL. As soon as he comes off the IRL DL, he must be either cut or placed on your active roster. You must continue to pay his salary while on the DL. If you cut him while on the DL, you still take the cap hit. DL players may be traded. There is a 3 day grace period after a player is pulled off the DL IRL to add him to your active roster.

-You may sell your team or a portion of it to an owner outside the league. ALL sales (whether it is the full team or simply part of it) must be approved by the commissioner and a majority of the league. The commissioner can be overruled by an absolute majority of the league.

-To continue to be in the league next year, you must continually be paid a year in advance. Thus each year before the draft a new payment of 100 dollars is required. The league can be dissolved by a vote of an absolute majority of the league.

-By joining the league, you agree to play fair and ethically. If you are found to be exploiting a gap in the rules unfairly or participating in unethical practices, you subject yourself to discipline by the league (decided by an absolute majority vote). This will likely never be an issue and simply serves as a “catch-all” clause for any type of cheating that may go on.

In case, you know, you missed it.

Your constant complaining and nitpicking has grown very tiresome on me. We didn't do anything you asserted. We've never changed a rule without getting everyone's opinion. I take offense to your assertion that we are just wantonly changing things.

I've (and Exit and Pecota and others) worked very hard on setting this league up in the fairest and most equitable way possible. It's really getting extremely annoying at this point.

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03-23-2010 , 11:11 PM

#1032

another_rack

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,458

I don't think Thundercat knows what double reverse snake means

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03-23-2010 , 11:49 PM

#1033

fifield

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 772

Carlos Carrasco

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03-23-2010 , 11:50 PM

#1034

Pecota

veteran

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,249

Wow, Cleveland system getting some love in the early rounds.

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03-24-2010 , 12:09 AM

#1035

Exitonly

Ray of Hope

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,724

step1 5 scoreless
step2 rotoworld update!
step3 go 4 rounds early

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03-24-2010 , 12:36 AM

#1036

fifield

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 772

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exitonly

step1 5 scoreless
step2 rotoworld update!
step3 go 4 rounds early

pls don't give away my no. 1 source

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03-24-2010 , 01:05 AM

#1037

fifield

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 772

Guys,

That site we used had a loophole that allowed me to jack up the prices on people with no risk of overtaking a player I didn't want. It had to do with the hidden bids. I actually stumbled across it looking back at the Joe Mauer bidding:

Fifield $103 Thu, 09:07:52 PM ET

Fifield $102 Thu, 09:07:48 PM ET

Fifield $101 Thu, 09:07:35 PM ET

Fifield $100 Thu, 09:07:32 PM ET

Fifield $99 Thu, 09:06:36 PM ET

Fifield $98 Thu, 08:59:02 PM ET

Fifield $97 Thu, 08:58:56 PM ET

Fifield $96 Thu, 08:58:36 PM ET

Fifield $95 Thu, 08:58:33 PM ET

Fifield $94 Thu, 08:58:30 PM ET

Fifield $93 Thu, 08:58:26 PM ET

Karak $X Thu, 08:44:26 PM ET

Karak $X Thu, 11:25:47 AM ET

Karak $X Thu, 11:24:14 AM ET

Karak $X Thu, 11:02:23 AM ET

Karak $X Thu, 08:44:30 AM ET

Karak $100 Wed, 09:07:57 PM ET

The oldest x is at least $103, and each subsequent x is at least one more than that, so here Mauer was locked up to at least $107. Then, all I would do is look for players with multiple x's, outbid by $1, refresh the player bid info, and repeat until that player had only one x. This enabled me to push Pujols past $200, risk free:

Fifield $211 Fri, 03:27:11 PM ET

Fifield $210 Fri, 03:27:08 PM ET

Fifield $209 Fri, 03:27:04 PM ET

Fifield $208 Fri, 03:26:59 PM ET

awesomenutshot $X Fri, 03:19:24 PM ET

awesomenutshot $210 Fri, 03:18:38 PM ET

Fifield $207 Fri, 03:12:47 PM ET

Fifield $206 Fri, 03:12:43 PM ET

Fifield $205 Fri, 03:12:38 PM ET

Fifield $204 Fri, 03:12:33 PM ET

awesomenutshot $207 Fri, 03:07:41 PM ET

Fifield $203 Fri, 12:49:46 PM ET

awesomenutshot $206 Fri, 10:53:24 AM ET

Fifield $202 Fri, 12:38:18 AM ET

Fifield $201 Fri, 12:38:04 AM ET

Fifield $200 Fri, 12:08:35 AM ET

Fifield $199 Fri, 12:08:29 AM ET

awesomenutshot $202 Thu, 03:52:34 PM ET

awesomenutshot $201 Thu, 03:30:15 PM ET

awesomenutshot $198 Thu, 03:29:56 PM ET

Fifield $197 Thu, 03:29:55 PM ET

Fifield $196 Thu, 03:29:42 PM ET

Fifield $195 Thu, 03:29:35 PM ET

Fifield $194 Thu, 03:29:11 PM ET

People were making this same mistake all the way to the end of the auction.

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03-24-2010 , 01:14 AM

#1038

another_rack

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,458

not sure if I understand Fifield. This only had to do if you were the high bid and you were padding, right?

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03-24-2010 , 01:24 AM

#1039

Karak

ELIte

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,724

He would look at the auction software and see multiple $x listed on the player. I, along with many others, were of the opinion that only we could see how many max bids we padded on. He would then continually bid until there were no more multiple Xs. At no time did he intend to win the player or was he bidding to win the player... he simply knew he could drive up the price for free, due to a software glitch allowing him to see it, and did so, risk-free (as he said).

I'm reserving my comments for now, as I'd like to get the reaction of the league.

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03-24-2010 , 01:47 AM

#1040

Pecota

veteran

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,249

I'm also going to wait until the other owners have had a chance to voice their opinion before stating my own.

I'll post my pick here and in the tracking sheet at some point tonight.

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03-24-2010 , 02:01 AM

#1041

Exitonly

Ray of Hope

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,724

I don't think Fifield's copy/paste was super clear, so an example of what he did:

Geoff is winning Player X @ $12 - and his max bid is currently $15 (or $X to everyone else). He decides to be safe and wants to pad his max bid up to $20. When he bids $20, a second $X shows up on the bid history. Now fifield/anyone can 'outbid by 1' until one of the X's goes away, in this case at $15.

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03-24-2010 , 02:11 AM

#1042

fifield

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 772

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exitonly

Exactly right.

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03-24-2010 , 02:29 AM

#1043

Pecota

veteran

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,249

Round 2 - Pick 26

Brett Lawrie - MIL

Last edited by Pecota; 03-24-2010 at 02:32 AM. Reason: nm, I guess I CAN edit the google doc.

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03-24-2010 , 02:35 AM

#1044

Thundercat32

banned

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,313

All I'm going to say is last year in the $300 hoops league, I got in DEEP **** with good friends of mine for throwing out something accusatory about another well known player.... basically suggesting collusion. That coupled with the fact everyone in this league, well the 2 commissioners think that all I do is bitch and that I don't point out potential problems.

I decided not to throw out an allegation or have exit look into it. But I don't know how many more times I could of said things in the auction chat box to the effect of "geez, look at Fifield bidding on player X, how many effin Outfielders can he carry? or would some please pop the bid on one of Fifield's players. Its only fair that little s*** is doing it to all of my guys

"

However, by the time I caught onto what he was doing my plan to retaliate landed me a player I didn't necessarily want, Shane Victorino, so I was kinda handcuffed. Nobody really listens to things I have to say or thinks they're important so I kinda got use to that and not really worried about it anymore. I'm just going to try and have some fun here and worry about poker more.

I will say that I don't think fifield should get in any trouble. I've talked to him several times on gtalk and he seems like a nice guy. I can tell he'd be a good poker player b/c even when he's screwing ya he makes ya feel good about it lol. But this was a problem with the software and there were strategic advantages to doing what he did. Also he's telling us about this now. He also sent me the $25 on Stars he said he would for helping his friend draft tomorrow night. So its not that he's without honor or integrity. I just think he made a bad decision following through on something he saw.

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03-24-2010 , 02:38 AM

#1045

Exitonly

Ray of Hope

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,724

Paying off thundercat was a wise move Fifield.

Geoff picks Starlin Castro.

Awesomer on the clock. He PM'd me 3 selections for his previous pick - and one of them is still available, if another_rack is here and ready I think we can keep going - but otherwise i'll just let awesomer post it in the morning.

Last edited by Exitonly; 03-24-2010 at 02:43 AM.

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03-24-2010 , 02:46 AM

#1046

Thundercat32

banned

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,313

Quote:

Originally Posted by fifield

People were making this same mistake all the way to the end of the auction.

Also as pissed as I am hearing Fifield admit to what I suspected (end around with all of the salary cap "bitching" to redo this thing essentially where guys get the players they wanted for reasonable prices..... **** why didn't I think of that??????)

I'm equally pissed at Karak and exit for not knowing this. I asked on day 2 with Lincecum, so say for example I make a max hidden bid of $80 on a player and that surpasses the current bid of $70 so it shows $71 for his current price. If someone then comes along and starts making it $72, $73, $74 etc... Can I then increase my bid to $90 and it won't start the clock over if someone gets to $81? Right here was the perfect time to say "yes, but that will show 2 X's and then someone will know they can bid up to your 1st max bid until 1 X goes away without ever intending to actually bid on the player" but that was never said.

I should just clarify that I don't mean literally pissed. I'm genuinely a nice guy or I wouldn't have the friends that I do. So I feel like ppl have taken me the wrong way in this league. I'm just a perfectionist and I like to have **** done right. And I've never been afraid to speak my mind. But I hope that no one has been offended or taken anything I said personally. If so I apologize, b/c goal #1 is have fun.

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03-24-2010 , 03:00 AM

#1047

Exitonly

Ray of Hope

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,724

I was learning as I went. If i knew how exploitable upping your own bid could be then I would have mentioned it to everyone when we got started. I answered all the questions you had about the draft - and we even talked specifically about the double $X thing just 4 days into the draft. I told you then (even though i still obviously didnt understand the issue completely):

(1:27:30 PM) exitonly: if you see two X's then i think it's safe to assume theres atleast a $1 gap in there
(1:27:59 PM) Thundercat: yeah I think I understand it now... at first it threw me off

Last edited by Exitonly; 03-24-2010 at 03:06 AM.

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03-24-2010 , 03:26 AM

#1048

Thundercat32

banned

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,313

Its being brought to my attention I'm quickly developing a reputation on 2p2 as someone who flat out isn't very nice.

Thats not my intention. I think you (exit) and Karak are both super cool guys and are really putting in alot of time to manage this league. I just wasn't very happy to be told I was bitching when my honest motive was to improve the league. And then other ppl started posting lol's to ya'lls bitching remarks and I kinda let that be a burr under my saddle. I don't really have a good history with that sort of stuff on 2p2. I don't really view this place as all that friendly so I kinda give myself permission to be twice as rude right back. I apologize for that b/c its not right or really representative of the type of person I am.

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03-24-2010 , 08:07 AM

#1049

Karak

ELIte

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,724

By joining the league, you agree to play fair and ethically. If you are found to be exploiting a gap in the rules unfairly or participating in unethical practices, you subject yourself to discipline by the league (decided by an absolute majority vote). This will likely never be an issue and simply serves as a “catch-all” clause for any type of cheating that may go on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thundercat32

I just think he made a bad decision following through on something he saw.

I think you'll find that he disagrees with this statement.

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Originally Posted by Thundercat32

I'm equally pissed at Karak and exit for not knowing this.

lololol

you never cease to amaze me