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All of those guidelines are fine. Late player swap is just weird. It ups the gamble. I'm with those who say if the leagues themselves were bound to lineups with an hour advance. There is no competitive advantage to waiting until 5:54. That's juvenile. There's already the added risk to later games in all sports anyway.

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11-19-2015 , 08:01 PM

#1477

34TheTruth34

Mark's Dirty Sanchez

Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,416

david dodds said recently that he doesnt play on dk bc he doesnt like the late swap. he said the reason is that all lineups should be available for download at lock in the name of transparency. personally i dont like late swap for other reasons (mainly just want to be able to move on with my life at contest start time) but i hadnt really thought of that before. think its a pretty good point and i have to agree. i mean not that i needed a lot of convincing on the topic tbf.

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11-19-2015 , 08:21 PM

#1478

BillyPhelan

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No late swap makes NBA even more of crap shoot.

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11-19-2015 , 08:23 PM

#1479

TheNonPareil

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Late swap is terribly stupid imo

Let's reward the pros who stare at Twitter all night. No thanks

Keep the games healthy and make it fairer for the casual fan.

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11-19-2015 , 08:30 PM

#1480

TimTimSalabim

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MLS is pretty much un-doable without late swap... not that many probably care

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11-19-2015 , 09:54 PM

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Onlydo2days

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Her regulations are just a working template though. That is probably why the sites are receptive to them. Nothing extremely unreasonable, no money grab and they probably know she will be willing to budge on a few of those listed that may be harder to implement.

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11-20-2015 , 12:20 AM

#1482

Captain Oi!

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Originally Posted by TheNonPareil

Late swap is terribly stupid imo

Let's reward the pros who stare at Twitter all night. No thanks

Keep the games healthy and make it fairer for the casual fan.

This is why I'm not in a bunch about it. Hell, I play FD over DK, partially because of what 34 said. I like not looking at Twitter again when 6:00 pm hits.

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11-20-2015 , 12:53 AM

#1483

dkgojackets

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86,123

no late swap is terrible for baseball since west coast lineups often aren't out at 7:00

it also obviously sucks giant dick for the full nfl slate

would never play a site without it if there's any alternative

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11-20-2015 , 01:00 AM

#1484

34TheTruth34

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

no late swap is terrible for baseball since west coast lineups often aren't out at 7:00

wat

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11-20-2015 , 01:10 AM

#1485

wazzu24

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no late swap sucks for all sports but it sucks the most for soccer

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11-20-2015 , 01:13 AM

#1486

dkgojackets

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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34

wat

not sure what you dont understand, but f5ing everywhere around 7 hoping for the rockies lineup to be confirmed is not that fun and it would be ******ed to have to lock in players when you dont know whos playing

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11-20-2015 , 01:20 AM

#1487

34TheTruth34

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idk i feel like all the west coast lineups were out by 7 pm pretty much every day.

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11-20-2015 , 01:25 AM

#1488

Biesterfield

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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34

idk i feel like all the west coast lineups were out by 7 pm pretty much every day.

+1. Rare bad posting stretch by dkgo.

(It was the Sunday games where Rockies lineups were the sweat)

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11-20-2015 , 01:26 AM

#1489

34TheTruth34

Mark's Dirty Sanchez

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yeah. rox def worst offender though.

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11-20-2015 , 01:29 AM

#1490

dkgojackets

DKGOAT

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Originally Posted by Biesterfield

+1. Rare bad posting stretch by dkgo.

(It was the Sunday games where Rockies lineups were the sweat)

well, "pretty much" every day doesn't cut it imo.

there were definitely regular slates with a straggler or two (plus the obvious ones that start afternoon)

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11-20-2015 , 01:49 AM

#1491

34TheTruth34

Mark's Dirty Sanchez

Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,416

well i played baseball almost every day on a site with no late swap and i can only remember off the top of my head once or twice where i didnt have access to every single lineup before lock. sure sometimes the 10pm games come out at like 650 which is lame but still enough time to adjust lineups and such. but anway since youre never going to admit you were wrong we'll just go ahead and say you were correct about this so we can all move on...

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11-20-2015 , 02:43 AM

#1492

TasteIsKing9

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Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 1,360

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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley

someone was posting about how they have 20% ROI on $1 games and that is why they play them

clicking a mouse for 20 cents, what a life

Didn't know assani posted in this thread

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11-20-2015 , 04:22 AM

#1493

Joe Tall

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Late swap is terrible from an operator standpoint.

Late swap is great from a sharp player standpoint.

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11-20-2015 , 04:35 AM

#1494

Onlydo2days

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

Late swap is terrible from an operator standpoint.

Late swap is great from a sharp player standpoint.

I think that is why FD never did it. They knew it just helped the regular players and fleeced fish.

DK needed some product differentiation from FD and they probably figured that was one of the ways to do so.

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11-20-2015 , 04:49 AM

#1495

Captain Oi!

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Originally Posted by Joe Tall

Late swap is terrible from an operator standpoint.

Late swap is great from a sharp player standpoint.

Completely understandable. But I have a life and people choosing to make this a career isn't my problem. I don't see it as recs ruining their job, so much as professional gamblers thinking an entire game should make its rules bend to their edges. There is a self-importance to the pros, which is just a product of the game's infancy.

Not bitter about it or have a strong stance on what sites ought to do, but I choose to primarily play the site without it and that is a reason. Pretty sure 95% of fish don't know the significance of late swap and just play a site where they've cashed before or the first site with a commercial they liked.

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11-20-2015 , 08:46 AM

#1496

Onlydo2days

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I would say the self-importance has a lot to do with bros just getting a modicum of fame out of nowhere that they never expected and it went to their heads a little.

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11-20-2015 , 09:16 AM

#1497

TheNonPareil

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Originally Posted by Captain Oi!

+1

I mean I play on both sites now and late swap certainly helps me but I'd prefer a healthier and happier ecosystem.

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11-20-2015 , 09:22 AM

#1498

DuckSauce

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For nfl late swap is prob less of an issue. For something like soccer or nba it's a way bigger deal.

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11-20-2015 , 09:46 AM

#1499

Onlydo2days

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Yeah NBA it just makes the player pool a little smaller and less strategy in terms of roster construction, but I would think the sites would want that anyway.

Sites definitely need to focus on the ecosystem a little more and all out growth a little less for the long-term, problem is they likely wanted to IPO in the next 18-24 months as well.

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11-20-2015 , 11:08 AM

#1500

Captain Oi!

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A sub option for each position at or below the cheapest owned at the position, but that's a complexity the sites want to stay away from. They have more interest in simplicity and accessibility than these nuances.

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