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Old 11-18-2015, 03:48 PM   #1401
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I am truly amazed at how dumb these companies have been run
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:48 PM   #1402
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plus that one guy has a logarithm to predict weather patterns in mlb so knowing his lineup saves you the time of writing that program
lol. i assume this is just trolling, but if he could predict the weather better than the info thats out there he could surely make more money selling that to the weather channel than he could from DFS.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:49 PM   #1403
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there is no money in weather
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:53 PM   #1404
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If you can't do this on your own you probably won't even be smart enough to use the information in a way that helps you win.
Dude, it's not rocket science.

As someone who works a normal job, similar to someone who works at FD/DK, the main reason I don't do DFS MLB or NBA is that I simply can't keep up with all of the news everyday. I'm a HUGE sports fan and still can't even be a break even player in 1$ MLB or NBA without basically committing every minute I have from the second I get home until lock time.

If I could have a quick look at 3 top DFS people's lineups and find 2-3 players I wouldn't otherwise expect to find in my lineup, it makes it way way easier to build around those players.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:53 PM   #1405
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With the lineup info not being valuable because of different pricing structures on each site argument -

Employee A works at FD his friend B works on DK

A gives lineup info to B and vice versa

and now it is valuable
Yep. How would you feel if you had advanced knowledge of your opponent's lineup in a H2H? Or knowing everyone's lineup in a 3man or 5man etc. May be just a little bit of an advantage.

Just the fact that the sites merely discouraged certain activities and apparently did nothing to ban them outright is unbelievable. Most documents that cut to the integrity of the business usually come with much stronger wording and a provision that says "failure to adhere to these policies will result in disciplinary action up to and including termination". This document has none of that.

Maybe someday we'll have a site called "Minnows.com" where we can play for relatively small stakes in a fair environment.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:54 PM   #1406
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Does humidity affect how far the ball travels and therefore more home runs? Same with hot weather vs cold weather? I have no idea but I'm sure some baseball stat wizard does. If he can plug the weather information into his models (if those weather conditions improve home run odds by a percent or so) and over the long run improve his point estimates for hitters and pitchers by a couple decimal points that seems like it could be a lot of money.
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:03 PM   #1407
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Does humidity affect how far the ball travels and therefore more home runs? Same with hot weather vs cold weather? I have no idea but I'm sure some baseball stat wizard does.
As does Las Vegas
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:06 PM   #1408
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believe it or not, the books setting the over/under can tell if the wind is blowing out at wrigley too
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:18 PM   #1409
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believe it or not, the books setting the over/under can tell if the wind is blowing out at wrigley too
Something that makes me giggle when I see "advice", "The O/U is really high, and the weather is windy going out, so since it is windy and there is a high O/U, pick xxxx", like double baking a cake will make it taste better.
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:35 PM   #1410
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The NYAG describes DFS as ''rapid fire gambling.'' What? Not a whole lot going on before 7pm.mon-fri.And once the contests start they take hours to play out.Here in NY you can bet a horse race every few minutes from 9am.until past midnight.You can play a new game of video keno every 4 minutes,lol.
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:35 PM   #1411
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How can I access my computer when I'm in a banned state? What programs are out there for me to use, and what do they cost?
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:55 PM   #1412
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Dude, it's not rocket science.

As someone who works a normal job, similar to someone who works at FD/DK, the main reason I don't do DFS MLB or NBA is that I simply can't keep up with all of the news everyday. I'm a HUGE sports fan and still can't even be a break even player in 1$ MLB or NBA without basically committing every minute I have from the second I get home until lock time.

If I could have a quick look at 3 top DFS people's lineups and find 2-3 players I wouldn't otherwise expect to find in my lineup, it makes it way way easier to build around those players.
If you work for a DFS site its not hard to get that info without even violating any rules or looking at lineups though. You could simply ask the guy in charge of pricing who he thought was undervalued and he could probably tell you. The people working at these places will naturally be following the news and stuff all day and discussing it in the office because it is in fact part of what they need to know to do their job well. Then they could use this non-proprietary info to build a lineup on the other site. In MLB they release starting lineups hours beforehand and DK lets you know if guys are starting or not. Its not a sport where there is a usg component you just get to bat when your turn in the order comes up.

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Yep. How would you feel if you had advanced knowledge of your opponent's lineup in a H2H? Or knowing everyone's lineup in a 3man or 5man etc. May be just a little bit of an advantage.

Just the fact that the sites merely discouraged certain activities and apparently did nothing to ban them outright is unbelievable. Most documents that cut to the integrity of the business usually come with much stronger wording and a provision that says "failure to adhere to these policies will result in disciplinary action up to and including termination". This document has none of that.

Maybe someday we'll have a site called "Minnows.com" where we can play for relatively small stakes in a fair environment.
Other than deciding whether or not to play someone I would not change a single thing with my h2h lineups by knowing who an opponent has in his unless he is playing someone who is out that game in which case I would duplicate the rest of the lineup and sub in someone who is playing for the guy he has getting a 0. That isn't exactly a base case though.
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Old 11-18-2015, 05:36 PM   #1413
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If you work for a DFS site its not hard to get that info without even violating any rules or looking at lineups though. You could simply ask the guy in charge of pricing who he thought was undervalued and he could probably tell you. The people working at these places will naturally be following the news and stuff all day and discussing it in the office because it is in fact part of what they need to know to do their job well. Then they could use this non-proprietary info to build a lineup on the other site. In MLB they release starting lineups hours beforehand and DK lets you know if guys are starting or not. Its not a sport where there is a usg component you just get to bat when your turn in the order comes up.



Other than deciding whether or not to play someone I would not change a single thing with my h2h lineups by knowing who an opponent has in his unless he is playing someone who is out that game in which case I would duplicate the rest of the lineup and sub in someone who is playing for the guy he has getting a 0. That isn't exactly a base case though.
Knowing an opponents h2h lineup would be an absolutely massive edge.

I play a ton vs maxadalury in soccer. He takes a very boom bust strategy for cash and is essentially a pretty big fish. However with his roll if he runs good he can put down a hurting. Having knowledge of who he's playing would allow me to block his plays that could hurt me the most and I can just out pick him elsewhere.

Also in spots where there are late swaps: if I have a lead vs someone and we both have slots, I can block his picks if I know who he is playing and he then auto loses
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:11 PM   #1414
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Knowing an opponents h2h lineup would be an absolutely massive edge.

I play a ton vs maxadalury in soccer. He takes a very boom bust strategy for cash and is essentially a pretty big fish. However with his roll if he runs good he can put down a hurting. Having knowledge of who he's playing would allow me to block his plays that could hurt me the most and I can just out pick him elsewhere.

Also in spots where there are late swaps: if I have a lead vs someone and we both have slots, I can block his picks if I know who he is playing and he then auto loses
#1 isn't a good idea. Blocking his plays would reduce your edge and get you eaten up by rake.

#2 is something that's more important
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:34 PM   #1415
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#1 isn't a good idea. Blocking his plays would reduce your edge and get you eaten up by rake.

#2 is something that's more important
In soccer #1 is pretty Important. It reduces variance as he has massive leaks in picking certain positions. Makes less mistakes on others, if I can block the play that has the best chance to destroy me then I can easily out pick him elsewhere and have way less variance.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:34 PM   #1416
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#1 isn't a good idea. Blocking his plays would reduce your edge and get you eaten up by rake.

#2 is something that's more important
#2 requires that you have this knowledge about the site you're playing on though. They weren't allowing people to play on their own site where they could do this. Knowing who someone plays on DK is not the same as knowing who someone plays on FD. I played a lineup on yahoo this week that had 2 overlapping plays with any of my 3 cash lineups on DK. If you tried to play my yahoo lineup on DK or vice versa to block me then I would have taken all your money going both ways.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:36 PM   #1417
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In soccer #1 is pretty Important. It reduces variance as he has massive leaks in picking certain positions. Makes less mistakes on others, if I can block the play that has the best chance to destroy me then I can easily out pick him elsewhere and have way less variance.
youre confusing reducing variance with increasing EV. If you're trying to block his good plays then you're either already playing them or taking plays you think have less value for the sake of lowering variance.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:46 PM   #1418
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Blocking high ceiling plays instead of playing a player with a much better floor. The high floor player can have a better avg projection but why give someone a chance to have one player single handily beat me when I know I'll out pick them elsewhere. This is a very specific scenario to soccer and doesn't really translate to other sports well
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:49 PM   #1419
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#2 requires that you have this knowledge about the site you're playing on though. They weren't allowing people to play on their own site where they could do this. Knowing who someone plays on DK is not the same as knowing who someone plays on FD. I played a lineup on yahoo this week that had 2 overlapping plays with any of my 3 cash lineups on DK. If you tried to play my yahoo lineup on DK or vice versa to block me then I would have taken all your money going both ways.
The point was made earlier that if employees of both sites had access to lineup info that its not a reach to believe that such information was being traded.

Waiting to see an article from Legal Sports Report on this issue, but haven't seen one yet. I did find this article though.

http://www.flushdraw.net/news/ny-dfs...action-claims/
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:17 PM   #1420
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is it a good move to constantly post about what a big edge you have over a huge player like him?
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Old 11-19-2015, 12:03 AM   #1421
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I actually think FanDuel wanted to grow how you guys are describing in some ways.

Then DK came along and put raising VC money and running huge GPPs as the #1 industry priority and FD just had to do it to keep up. Before DK got big, FD seemed very content to grow slowly and not do too much to get noticed by the government.

That being said, they've been extremely incompetent as well.
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Old 11-19-2015, 12:20 AM   #1422
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RG has and are still silencing players. They are doing there best to minimize the recent Fanduel employee contract.RG staff would lock, ridicule, ban, delete and slander users who made valid points. Not 1 employee from RG made a comment on it. They want a hush hush additude. People on RG have made complaints for years concerning everything that is killing the industry today. I hope the industry survives.... we don't need RG, FANDUEL and Draftkings in this industry.
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Old 11-19-2015, 12:24 AM   #1423
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People did always voice legitimate concerns on RG. The problem is a site like that also has its share of mouthbreathers that exaggerate every little thing, similar to the mainstream media just on a smaller scale.

RG probably isn't in the best position right now in general. In the affiliate agreements, the sites usually reserve the right to change/limit compensation at any time and if the sites have to pony up more $ for regulation then there is a decent chance they begin to phase RG out of the revenue sharing. Not like the sites need RG anymore, RG was very valuable to them in 2012-2013 though...

So they are kinda walking on egg shells.
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Old 11-19-2015, 12:48 AM   #1424
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The people that head RG are as scummy as anyone trying to censor and hide this FD leak or people mentioning it.

They remind me exactly of SBR, every single thing about them and that is the furthest from a good thing or a compliment.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:10 AM   #1425
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What makes them scummy?
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