Largely because based on his twitter the guy is a complete troll who likes to gloat to everyone about things he has done.

FanDuel pulling out of NY for the time being

https://newsroom.fanduel.com/2015/11...n-in-new-york/

In FanDuel’s ongoing effort to fight for fantasy users across New York, we filed for a temporary restraining order yesterday that would allow users to keep playing on our site while the legal case was pending. The court did not issue the TRO but set a hearing for November 25th, ensuring that the legal situation will be promptly resolved.

As a result of that decision, we are temporarily suspending entry in paid contests for people located in New York as of 2:30 pm EST today, Tuesday, November 17th. This is in addition to the restrictions on deposits previously implemented. We believe that this restriction is temporary and we hope to be able to offer our paid contests to New Yorkers again very soon.

Not getting the TRO isn't a great sign.

AG didn't request a TRO to suspend operations either.

There has to be consideration, and it's quite a stretch to make a case that there is any in unpaid games, although I believe some have tried via "time and effort cost" or some similar legal psychobabble.

There are companies that offer season long games where they are effectively taking a rake. Some are very high stakes. It's not a huge business so it's basically under the radar. But some of these companies like CDMsports have been around a long time (20 plus years.)

Someone just found this on roto grinders, said you can get it from this site:https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASSearch although I haven't jumped on yet. If stuff like this is floating around, we're screwed and you have to be kidding me FD for even thinking policies like this are OK.

Joe, did anything like this document come up at the meeting you had a few years ago?

Unreal the balls of these companies to allow that. They had over a billion dollar evaluation each. Now they killed the whole industry.

So that's from before Ethan, and while it's laughable, it's also more than I would have thought they had in place at the time. I mean the way the sites were just totally blindsided by this did people think they had more than that in place?

Its really not that surprising except in the sense that its put in writing in this fashion. FD doesn't seem that concerned about inside info being used except as it relates to appearances. Just the fact that they knuckled immediately on the policy of allowing employees to play and later learning that some of the employees were huge whales making big scores...you knew that something was up.

I can't really remember, but didn't the AG inquiry announced about a month ago include interviews with some of the employees of both sites? If it did, I can imagine how intimidating that would be. Who knows what else will be coming out.

This document doesn't even look like it was proofread let alone signed off on by an attorney.

Sorry, not intentional, I was making point that these sites are probably not as 100% legal as they want us to believe and thought it fit into what you were responding to but I guess not.

Industry play from employees was not addressed at that exact time, may have been mentioned, but most was big-picture/theory for standardizing good practices.

I have authorized and read several legal opinions, including a state by state document from a prominent law firm. I'll check to see what I can share if you are interested.

I would be interested in what you are willing to share. I believe the sites should be legal everywhere (just like I think poker, sports betting and even slots or any other casino game should be legal if that's how people want to spend their own money).

That being said, Fanduel's and Draftking's arguments that they are 100% legal is obviously false despite our desires to believe them, as most states have not actually issued a ruling on it, and as states take a closer look they will rule it to be 100% illegal and FD and DK will be forced to pull out as it turns out it was not 100% legal as advertised (note I do not personally agree with that but that is the current legal landscape, whether you accept it or not). Unfortunately, most states have anti-gambling laws (just like every state has antiquated overly-religious laws written by prudes that we need to work on changing).

Based on current law the sites are almost certain to lose in NY and several other states. There are only 4 states where one can argue DFS is 100% legal right now (where Starsdraft sill serves customers), and even that is not 100%. Every other state is at risk. We need to be lobbying every state to make DFS legal.

I think it's important that the politicians know they will lose votes or popularity by going after DFS...the pro DFS has lost the PR war so far among people who don't play.

It's amazing that the commissioner of the NFL will not publicly support DFS and companies like ESPN which have huge advertising deals with the company don't come out and defend the right to play. Instead Scott van pelt bash the industry just so look like real journalists. It's all a joke.

Post by bosox makes it seem like they could basically see anything they wanted to and were on honor system. That was always my biggest fear as ownership info was never that important but indicated that more was likely possible. If that doc is true it's probably gg and jail time in the cards.

NVM Found it

Is there, or anyone interested in an every day-type draft kings league? we can add and tally scores ourselves etc

When I went to sleep last night there was a lengthy thread on RG which included the FD employee play policy, along with many posts from ordinary players who were shocked and appalled. This morning I see no evidence of that thread.

The only thread I see discussing it is the one about AG Schneiderman shutting them down in NY. Was there a longer thread just dedicated to the FD Employee Policy?

I'd be interested for sure.

It wasn't just dedicated to the FD employee policy. But it was a much longer thread, like 70+ pages. I think it was the original thread that happened when the controversy was first happening. The last three or so pages were reacting to the FD policy.

They would arguably get a net gain I'm votes let alone care about whatever meaningless small loss possibly comes with it. They care much more about that casino lobby money.

The amount of votes/popularity they lose is pretty much nothing.

How many people cared when UIGEA passed and it became way harder to sports bet? How many people cared when black friday went down?

Now throw in the fact that people who don't play despise these companies for all the commercials and they can go away very easily.

In the meantime, we play Mark Sanchez this weekend and hope it isn't the last hurrah.